How do you play "heel and toe?" on DDR?

**Meatyguy** · 05-21-2008, 04:50 PM

How do you do it? I've heard that that's how all of the really good DDR/ITG players play but, I just can't do it! The hardest song I've ever passed was Xepher on Challenge and just BARELY! And yes.. I bar raped... sorry to say...

But, I really want to get better but not if I can't figure out how to get better... please help!

Tibs · 05-21-2008, 04:55 PM

Use your toes to hit the up and your heels to hit the down. You should only have half your foot on a pad when youre hitting it. The other half should be over the metal center plate.

It minimilises movement so you can move faster and conserve your stamina.

PanStyle · 05-21-2008, 04:57 PM

I think it's VERY hard to play heel and toe on ddr, because the pads are often ****ty and not so sentitive than itg pads.

You have to train a lot, and maybe change your footwook. Do you have some video of you playing ddr ? (for see is there is something wrong with your footwork).

**Meatyguy** · 05-21-2008, 05:01 PM

No I don't but I really want to get one... maybe I will sometime and have you look at it to see if I need work...

PanStyle · 05-21-2008, 05:23 PM

Ehehe yes. If one day you have some video of you playing, put this here.
I think some players can give some advise for you ^^

**travman301** · 05-21-2008, 05:59 PM

You really shouldn't have to heel toe for DDR.

And, as said before, it would be really hard.

In an ITG pad there are more sensors than a DDR pad. When you heel toe you go for the innermost sensors with the tips of your feet.

Essentially you can just rock back and forth and hit all of the arrows.

inflames07 · 05-21-2008, 07:12 PM

Heel toe is gay. I whored songs like F3r sure, heaven, air, etc. for stamina and speed. Also bracket breaking is gay too.

DarkCore · 05-21-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by inflames07

Heel toe is gay. I whored songs like F3r sure, heaven, air, etc. for stamina and speed. Also bracket breaking is gay too.

Heel-toeing regular DDR/ITG charts is pretty stupid however for certain parts in custom songs, heel-toe is necessary. Or take Love Fighter Oni for example; now imagine playing that whole song on ITG without heel-toeing whatever. It pretty much requires you to heeltoe unless you want to go down on all 4 arrows and randomly hit notes.

Also, I'm pretty sure the original poster was talking about flatfooting/minimalizing foot movement rather than ACTUAL heel-toe anyway.

**sayuncle990** · 05-21-2008, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Meatyguy

How do you do it? I've heard that that's how all of the really good DDR/ITG players play but, I just can't do it! The hardest song I've ever passed was Xepher on Challenge and just BARELY! And yes.. I bar raped... sorry to say...

But, I really want to get better but not if I can't figure out how to get better... please help!

Check my avatar =D No bar either. Just a thick pad.

As to heel-toe, I've never really tried it. You're probably fine with just more practice.

**Psychotik** · 05-21-2008, 09:48 PM

You don't need to Heel toe to become good. Just practice.
I can pass some pretty hard songs on ITG without heel-toeing. I hope I don't go to jail for rape... bar rape.

**TC_Halogen** · 05-21-2008, 09:55 PM

If you're a decent ITG player, just accept the fact that bar raping isn't bad. ALL of the amazing ITG players do it (except for Mad Matt, holy crap XD)--WinDEU does it, TheCosmicPope, Rynker, all of the best.

I learned to heel-toe from WinDEU, tee-hee.

Heel-toe strategy is great for doing long, and painful stamina songs, cause you can play to recover. Basically saying, you can be heel-toeing lazily, your health drops, and then when you hit low health, you do non heel-toeing so that you can get back to a comfortable life-bar level.

Ugh, I need to pass Dokudenpa on pad, my legs hate me. D:

**ELRayford** · 05-21-2008, 09:59 PM

Heel toe is good for not raping the bar. Check out some of matts no bar vids on youtube. He is probably the best non bar player I have ever seen. http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Sigatrev
Check out some of his vids for watching his style. There is one where he shows a good heel toe stance. As for DDR heel toe, its really hard to do because of the brackets around the panels. They are much closer to the panels on ddr. ITG the brackets are higher and let you rock better.

Found a good one. Enjoy and have fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIUGn6_IDr8

inflames07 · 05-22-2008, 06:34 AM

I bar rape. I played at Naperville, Illinois until Rynker ****ed up the machine in a different town. BZ had to take away Naperville's machine so I stopped playing because the drive was too far.

And yeah, heel toe is never NEEDED. Neither is flat footing. I've seen people play ridiculous songs on their toes.

fido123 · 05-22-2008, 06:49 AM

Dear god doing hard songs without a bar sure looks retarded though. I bar rape all the time mainly because I have crappy stamina and stamina is the only thing holding me back from doing a lot of things right now. I'm going to start playing again in the summer.

As for Heel-to-toe, it helps your stamina and speed and in general is a good thing to do. It pretty much just requires practise when you get the technique right. Watch video's on how others do it and try to recreate it off a pad so next time your on a pad you won't forget how to do it.

**Meatyguy** · 05-22-2008, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkCore

Heel-toeing regular DDR/ITG charts is pretty stupid however for certain parts in custom songs, heel-toe is necessary. Or take Love Fighter Oni for example; now imagine playing that whole song on ITG without heel-toeing whatever. It pretty much requires you to heeltoe unless you want to go down on all 4 arrows and randomly hit notes.

Also, I'm pretty sure the original poster was talking about flatfooting/minimalizing foot movement rather than ACTUAL heel-toe anyway.

I guess that you are right... I should've put flatfooting and making feet move less instead of heel/toe but I thought that heel toe was how they did it... anyone have some helpful youtube vid that shows how to do this? (flatfooting?)

**travman301** · 05-22-2008, 08:30 AM

Read this: http://studionyami.com/penfifteen/staminaguide_v11.html

You will probably find it helpful.

DarkCore · 05-22-2008, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inflames07

And yeah, heel toe is never NEEDED.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PA0ZlZh2vqk&feature=related

But yeah, there's tons of videos of people flatfooting if you wanna look. =P Here's a quick one that I found. http://youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ0qGqVOO4

**Meatyguy** · 05-23-2008, 11:20 AM

Thank you guys for all of this wonderful info... I really want to get better but it kind of sucks when ND doesn't have an ITG machine ANYWHERE in the state! :*(. We used to but the arcade got closed down and they but up a kids "playplace". Freaking idiots!!!!!

DarkCore · 05-24-2008, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meatyguy

Thank you guys for all of this wonderful info... I really want to get better but it kind of sucks when ND doesn't have an ITG machine ANYWHERE in the state! :*(. We used to but the arcade got closed down and they but up a kids "playplace". Freaking idiots!!!!!

Don't worry about it too much...heeltoe is incredibly stupid for ITG/DDR songs since it's not necessary at ALL. You only should be using it for really hard customs on ITG like Lolit Speed/Dash Hopes/Strangeprogram/etc.

inflames07 · 05-24-2008, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkCore

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PA0ZlZh2vqk&feature=related

But yeah, there's tons of videos of people flatfooting if you wanna look. =P Here's a quick one that I found. http://youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ0qGqVOO4

He's playing flat-footed on summer, not heel-toe.

05-21-2008, 04:50 PM	#1
Meatyguy FFR Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 31 Posts: 758	How do you play "heel and toe?" on DDR? How do you do it? I've heard that that's how all of the really good DDR/ITG players play but, I just can't do it! The hardest song I've ever passed was Xepher on Challenge and just BARELY! And yes.. I bar raped... sorry to say... But, I really want to get better but not if I can't figure out how to get better... please help!

05-21-2008, 04:55 PM	#2
Tibs FFR Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: UK Age: 35 Posts: 5,235	Re: How do you play "heel and toe?" on DDR? Use your toes to hit the up and your heels to hit the down. You should only have half your foot on a pad when youre hitting it. The other half should be over the metal center plate. It minimilises movement so you can move faster and conserve your stamina.

05-21-2008, 04:57 PM	#3
PanStyle FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: France Age: 37 Posts: 81	Re: How do you play "heel and toe?" on DDR? I think it's VERY hard to play heel and toe on ddr, because the pads are often ****ty and not so sentitive than itg pads. You have to train a lot, and maybe change your footwook. Do you have some video of you playing ddr ? (for see is there is something wrong with your footwork). __________________

05-21-2008, 05:01 PM	#4
Meatyguy FFR Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 31 Posts: 758	Re: How do you play "heel and toe?" on DDR? No I don't but I really want to get one... maybe I will sometime and have you look at it to see if I need work...

05-21-2008, 05:23 PM	#5
PanStyle FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: France Age: 37 Posts: 81	Re: How do you play "heel and toe?" on DDR? Ehehe yes. If one day you have some video of you playing, put this here. I think some players can give some advise for you ^^ __________________

05-21-2008, 05:59 PM	#6
travman301 #swagdog Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 2,641	Re: How do you play "heel and toe?" on DDR? You really shouldn't have to heel toe for DDR. And, as said before, it would be really hard. In an ITG pad there are more sensors than a DDR pad. When you heel toe you go for the innermost sensors with the tips of your feet. Essentially you can just rock back and forth and hit all of the arrows.

05-21-2008, 09:55 PM	#11
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: How do you play "heel and toe?" on DDR? If you're a decent ITG player, just accept the fact that bar raping isn't bad. ALL of the amazing ITG players do it (except for Mad Matt, holy crap XD)--WinDEU does it, TheCosmicPope, Rynker, all of the best. I learned to heel-toe from WinDEU, tee-hee. Heel-toe strategy is great for doing long, and painful stamina songs, cause you can play to recover. Basically saying, you can be heel-toeing lazily, your health drops, and then when you hit low health, you do non heel-toeing so that you can get back to a comfortable life-bar level. Ugh, I need to pass Dokudenpa on pad, my legs hate me. D:

05-21-2008, 09:59 PM	#12
ELRayford Custom User Title Join Date: May 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 1,546	Re: How do you play "heel and toe?" on DDR? Heel toe is good for not raping the bar. Check out some of matts no bar vids on youtube. He is probably the best non bar player I have ever seen. http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Sigatrev Check out some of his vids for watching his style. There is one where he shows a good heel toe stance. As for DDR heel toe, its really hard to do because of the brackets around the panels. They are much closer to the panels on ddr. ITG the brackets are higher and let you rock better. Found a good one. Enjoy and have fun! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIUGn6_IDr8 Last edited by ELRayford; 05-22-2008 at 12:02 AM..

05-22-2008, 06:49 AM	#14
fido123 FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 32 Posts: 4,245	Re: How do you play "heel and toe?" on DDR? Dear god doing hard songs without a bar sure looks retarded though. I bar rape all the time mainly because I have crappy stamina and stamina is the only thing holding me back from doing a lot of things right now. I'm going to start playing again in the summer. As for Heel-to-toe, it helps your stamina and speed and in general is a good thing to do. It pretty much just requires practise when you get the technique right. Watch video's on how others do it and try to recreate it off a pad so next time your on a pad you won't forget how to do it.

05-22-2008, 08:30 AM	#16
travman301 #swagdog Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 2,641	Re: How do you play "heel and toe?" on DDR? Read this: http://studionyami.com/penfifteen/staminaguide_v11.html You will probably find it helpful.

05-23-2008, 11:20 AM	#18
Meatyguy FFR Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 31 Posts: 758	Re: How do you play "heel and toe?" on DDR? Thank you guys for all of this wonderful info... I really want to get better but it kind of sucks when ND doesn't have an ITG machine ANYWHERE in the state! :*(. We used to but the arcade got closed down and they but up a kids "playplace". Freaking idiots!!!!!

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