BAD beat

**25thhour** · 10-12-2010, 09:59 AM

lol. owned
This was real money right?

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 10-12-2010, 10:05 AM

meh, its a disappointing beat, but those guys both had a pretty good draw off the flop compared to your hand. both had flush draws but of course the guy who one had the straight/straight flush draw. You were basically pushing for the pair to hold off by the looks of it.

Izzy · 10-12-2010, 10:34 AM

I'm trying to understand why silvia went all in.

**devonin** · 10-12-2010, 10:38 AM

He's got a flush, and might have been really low on chip count and had to go all in or fold?

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 10-12-2010, 10:39 AM

My guess is he went all in on the flop after he saw he had the flush opportunity.

**eastsideman09** · 10-12-2010, 11:10 AM

Signature donkey move.
"omg almost got a flush all in"

I would have called with as many outs as the J10 gave me though. Sick as hell for sure.

**TC_Halogen** · 10-12-2010, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonin

He's got a flush, and might have been really low on chip count and had to go all in or fold?

Being that awein had 315 chips after the showdown, and the winner of the hand scooped the pot (shown because Pokerstars will add chip-counts for the side pots before handing a main pot off), it's highly unlikely that the J/10 had a short stack. A J/10 shove is extremely questionable here, especially 3-handed.

Either one of two situations happened here, JJAirSilva open-shoved his hand into the pot (and if he's at all intelligent, he was probably doing it on a short stack) and Koza re-raised all-in with his hand (which is an extremely risky move), or Awein made a raise to commit them. The latter would be the more ideal situation in my eyes as awein is a pretty aggressive player (from experience).

Before the flop:
Awein: ~ 58%
Silva: ~ 29%
Koza: ~ 13%

While J/10 is a fairly strong hand to draw to, any flush possibilities get completely nullified by the K/5. Of course, no one knows what each other's hands are, but calling an all-in with J/10 suited isn't wise in a three-handed showdown unless you're calling short stacks.

At the flop:
Awein: ~ 45%
Silva: ~ 31%
Koza: ~ 24%

Horrible flop for Awein...I mean, couldn't have gone any worse for him in terms of draw-outs; any diamond gives Koza a flush (if the diamond on the turn wasn't a queen, Awein would be drawing dead), Silva is open-ended for any straight, including the straight of his suit.

I wouldn't exactly call this a cooler though, I mean, both players had a fair amount of outs to hit even with your two pair - Koza could still hit the flush on you but discounts one out, the Qd. At the turn, Koza and Silva have roughly 20%/10% chance to hit the card they need and catch you - it's not exactly the roughest of beats. The only thing that sucks is that you happened to catch the Qd which was the one of the two outs to what would beat your best possible hand. But it was most definitely not a two-outer to beating your two pair, that's for sure. Rough beat, but I'm not sure if I want to call this a cooler.

EDIT: It would actually depend on where the shove is, actually. J/10 shoving on the flop wouldn't be quite as bad because they were open-ended for all eight possible straights.

**ComSec** · 10-12-2010, 03:10 PM

Assuming you got it in on the flop, you have no idea what a bad beat is:

pokenum -h kd 5d - td jd - qs qh -- 8d 6h 9d
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 9d 8d 6h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kd 5d 280 31.01 623 68.99 0 0.00 0.310
Jd Td 215 23.81 688 76.19 0 0.00 0.238
Qs Qh 408 45.18 495 54.82 0 0.00 0.452

**Kibblre** · 10-12-2010, 03:18 PM

One of the reasons I never call with a pocket pair; it always leads to bad luck.

**awein999** · 10-12-2010, 03:18 PM

only a 25 cent tourney. Guy with K 5 went all in I called and the straight flush then called. It was a huge overbet. And trust me I know what a bad beat is...I just meant having QQ full doesn't lose every day.

I also had 22 full lose 72 full the same day in another 25 cent tourney but luckily got 2nd place out of 90 in that one anyway.

**Mr.Nothing** · 10-12-2010, 03:39 PM

Ouch, 2s full of 7s beaten by 7s full of 2s. /wrists

What site does everyone play on?
I go for Full Tilt
Unless I'm feeling real poker, then I hit the horse track.

Izzy · 10-12-2010, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonin

He's got a flush, and might have been really low on chip count and had to go all in or fold?

Ah, I see it now. I wasn't aware that 5 of the same suit was a flush.

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 10-12-2010, 04:24 PM

Pocket Queens rarely get me a win, but I remember getting this on a guy in a tourn. I lol'd when it happened.

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10-12-2010, 10:05 AM	#4
Plan_Bsk81127 snooches Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 6,420	Re: BAD beat meh, its a disappointing beat, but those guys both had a pretty good draw off the flop compared to your hand. both had flush draws but of course the guy who one had the straight/straight flush draw. You were basically pushing for the pair to hold off by the looks of it.

10-12-2010, 10:34 AM	#5
Izzy Snek Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas Age: 34 Posts: 9,192	Re: BAD beat I'm trying to understand why silvia went all in.

10-12-2010, 10:38 AM	#6
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: BAD beat He's got a flush, and might have been really low on chip count and had to go all in or fold?

10-12-2010, 10:39 AM	#7
Plan_Bsk81127 snooches Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 6,420	Re: BAD beat My guess is he went all in on the flop after he saw he had the flush opportunity.

10-12-2010, 03:10 PM	#10
ComSec FFR Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 28	Re: BAD beat Assuming you got it in on the flop, you have no idea what a bad beat is: pokenum -h kd 5d - td jd - qs qh -- 8d 6h 9d Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 9d 8d 6h cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Kd 5d 280 31.01 623 68.99 0 0.00 0.310 Jd Td 215 23.81 688 76.19 0 0.00 0.238 Qs Qh 408 45.18 495 54.82 0 0.00 0.452 __________________ We must know. We will know.

10-12-2010, 03:18 PM	#11
Kibblre Caelondia Represent Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: A place of hearts and ghosts Age: 31 Posts: 1,984	Re: BAD beat One of the reasons I never call with a pocket pair; it always leads to bad luck. __________________ Какой идиот придумал Бутерброд с дикобраза? Он хулиган и бездельник.

10-12-2010, 03:39 PM	#13
Mr.Nothing R.I.P. Steve <3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tampa, Fl Age: 33 Posts: 1,227	Re: BAD beat Ouch, 2s full of 7s beaten by 7s full of 2s. /wrists What site does everyone play on? I go for Full Tilt Unless I'm feeling real poker, then I hit the horse track. __________________

10-12-2010, 04:24 PM	#15
Plan_Bsk81127 snooches Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 6,420	Re: BAD beat Pocket Queens rarely get me a win, but I remember getting this on a guy in a tourn. I lol'd when it happened.

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