Noteskin Poll

[Xiaounlimited]

That would be needlessly confusing for me. The colouring system is as robust as it needs to be, and I don't see implementing that as being helpful in any way whatsoever.

[Phynx]

Star, just open your mind a little. You're making the chance for great diversity on a game into a singular mode of play. There's where FFR loses its interest. You're stuck with their single noteskin, single form of menu style, single EVERYTHING. Don't be like FFR. You want something individual from everything else in the industry, let it be anything anyone chooses it to be. Allow for customization.

P.S. - Blast already has the fundamentals of the game sorted out. A few more major changes and the game will be exactly how it was envisioned. Now once those major changes occur, what's the problem with continuing the project to create a plethora of new noteskins, menu skins, and in game skins for combo/accuracy rating etc? Do the major stuff first yes, but then once that's worked out EXPAND the game, much like a tree. Starts out as a stalk with few leaves but once it survives the first few hard winters, it thrives, growing in all directions and creating many leaves individual from one another. Let those leaves be the people to your game.

[bLasTamos]

Originally Posted by Patashu

also can 96ths be coloured differently from 192nds or is it too late for that tia

It's only too late to make a platformer game now.
I have build this engine using the Object Oriented Programming paradigm in ways that it makes me able to change about anything with much ease.
Although I don't see how coloring 96ths different from 192nds is gonna help you much... people seem to be able to read single colored stepfiles just fine.

[Phynx]

Originally Posted by bLasTamos

people seem to be able to read single colored stepfiles just fine.

Yeah no, not people... SOME people. I'm a visual player. Colors help me a lot.

[Patashu]

it's not a humongously big deal but I would really appreciate it <3

[stargroup]

Originally Posted by Phynx

Star, just open your mind a little. You're making the chance for great diversity on a game into a singular mode of play. There's where FFR loses its interest. You're stuck with their single noteskin, single form of menu style, single EVERYTHING. Don't be like FFR. You want something individual from everything else in the industry, let it be anything anyone chooses it to be. Allow for customization.

You don't get it. I want people to have as much customization power as possible, it's just this ONE option I'm not happy about.

It simply doesn't make sense to have directionals when you're playing spread, and too many people associate this game with DDR. This is why I want to abolish the arrow noteskin. However, since people do want it and I don't want to alienate players, I was thinking about adding it temporarily.

But that's as far as I go. I'm already being super lenient.

[Bluearrowll]

stargroup
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[Phynx]

Originally Posted by stargroup

You don't get it. I want people to have as much customization power as possible, it's just this ONE option I'm not happy about.

It simply doesn't make sense to have directionals when you're playing spread, and too many people associate this game with DDR. This is why I want to abolish the arrow noteskin. However, since people do want it and I don't want to alienate players, I was thinking about adding it temporarily.

But that's as far as I go. I'm already being super lenient.

Well if it's gonna be a temporary thing then just don't even add it. That's just shell shocking the players who get used to solo with arrows then forcing them to jump to an unfamiliar noteskin. It's making them re-learn the visual stimuli of the accuracy or hit window. So you might as well not add the arrows and just throw whatever else noteskins at people so they don't get screwed by learning on arrows first.

[stargroup]

alright so here's the results

apparently about 1/5 of the people will NOT use anything but arrows, and 1/4 (including that 1/5) would much prefer to use arrows.

now the question becomes, is the concept of breaking away from arrows worth sacrificing 1/5-1/4 of the community?

[OneHandNow]

HAVE BOTH OPTIONS. Solved..

[Patashu]

dude just have an option to use the arrows lmao, and leave orbuluur or something as default

[stargroup]

you guys don't get the point

we need to break away from this

arrows are a plague

I'm being pretty serious

[Xiaounlimited]

Originally Posted by stargroup

you guys don't get the point

we need to break away from this

arrows are a plague

I'm being pretty serious

you don't get the point

you need to break away from this

your bias is a plague

I'm being pretty serious





No really, stop posting in this thread for the night. Let it percolate in your head for a day.

[Phynx]

Originally Posted by Patashu

dude just have an option to use the arrows lmao, and leave orbuluur or something as default

I SAID THIS SAME THING TO HIM HARHAR! Funny. We all think alike XD

[Plan_Bsk81127]

I like the arrows, I can read them better then the orbular and especially the bars.

If arrows cant stay, I guess Im not going to be playing FFR 6 keys and just have to stick to SM where I have the choice.

Why cant you just make it an option. Better to do that so you dont lose the players who prefer arrows. You want this thing to grow, not die, do just add the option to choose.

[Xiaounlimited]

Star, as it stands, your argument is faulty at best. Your entire (yes, entire) argument revolves around this concept:

Arrows don't even make sense for keyboard simulation! This should be entirely about keyboard play, so arrows should be removed. You don't play on pad, so it should all be non-directional notes!

It reminds people of DDR, and that's not what we want!

The keyboard simulation you're after is based off of DDR Solo/FFR/SM. If you had started off with an entirely original concept and marketed it off on your own WITHOUT pulling from the FFR userbase, that's another thing all on its own. That's not the case.

(22:46:06) Phynx: With ANY OTHER rhythm game
They weren't created out of a userbase

This virtually makes your point moot. If arrows are stagnant and obsolete, why continue to use an FFR-style engine? Why not just convert your original KeyBeat idea into an engine of its own and start a userbase there? Make your own viral ads without the use of FFR, hm? Do you realize where you're pulling the community from?

Also realize other people who play with arrows may not post (often or at all), or have voted; the sample on this poll may not be an accurate representation at all. Things CAN spread by word of mouth and this thread may slip by someone who plays FFR6k as a pastime, but never posts about it. These people are still players. Whether or not they play seriously, they are still part of the userbase and are still capable of propogating it further through communicating to others.

If it reminds people of DDR, so what? If they don't like the game, they won't play it. It still serves as a method of pulling in interested users whether you like that fact or not.

When you break it down to the end result, you have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. To be blunt, the only thing that's being broken or lost here is your own ego, and the "image" YOU personally want. I can understand that might hurt your pride, but fact stands:

Games that are by a user, for the users, and virtually run by the users, are always more successful than close-ended ones.



Hueg post. tl;dr, I don't care, I posted what I wanted to

[Phynx]

No arrows guys. Go home. :/

[Xiaounlimited]

Originally Posted by Phynx

No arrows guys. Go home. :/

There is no home to go to it's even bleaker than the future ;___;

[Phynx]

Originally Posted by Xiaounlimited

There is no home to go to it's even bleaker than the future ;___;

Yeah... I see white screens *cries in a corner rocking back and forth* the white.... screen..... no........................................................ home......

[Phynx]

stargroup100@flashflashrevolution.com says:
ok I have decided

jordan_seamons@hotmail.com says:
Then at least let everyone in the tourney finish the tourney with arrows.

stargroup100@flashflashrevolution.com says:
oh damn I forgot about this
yeah I'll do that
but yeah
we're removing arrows

jordan_seamons@hotmail.com says:
Sorry to hear that.
Really i am

stargroup100@flashflashrevolution.com says:
I know
it pains me to say it
it really does
but in the end
I feel like if this game is going to go where it needs to go
then I need to take the initiative

jordan_seamons@hotmail.com says:
But you left FFR and SM communities behind

stargroup100@flashflashrevolution.com says:
possibly
but I'm hoping that overall
we'll be moving forward
besides
although most of our initial community will come from ffr/sm

jordan_seamons@hotmail.com says:
Hoping is a long stretch to base luck on

stargroup100@flashflashrevolution.com says:
we'll ultimately create our own fanbase
so hopefully
everything will work out

jordan_seamons@hotmail.com says:
Why limit a "new" fanbase to some 1 or 2 thousand people IFFFFF THAAAAT where you could have the 80+ thousand players that use the FFR engine.

stargroup100@flashflashrevolution.com says:
the majority of people who voted
said they are fine with switching a noteskin
I am confident it won't be THAT deterimental

jordan_seamons@hotmail.com says:
Failure in fanbase will tell otherwise. That's how it is with every business.

stargroup100@flashflashrevolution.com says:
we'll see
worst comes to worse

jordan_seamons@hotmail.com says:
Yeah
We will

stargroup100@flashflashrevolution.com says:
we'll just add it





;_;