DP/RATO move to tokens?

[popsicle_3000]

cp yes
revo... idc really but need to figure out why that one, and where we'll stop w/ legacy songs

[ilikexd]

If we invoke the ~Legacy~ theory that these files should remain as they are to preserve FFRhistory, then Revo should be unchaged. But specifically Revo is just the worst of the worst. Every other legacy file is at least manageable.

If we're going to be moving DP & RATO because they're just too hard, I don't see a reason to keep ANY Legacy files. <-- By keep I mean keep in levelranks

But personally I don't like the idea of moving any files in the first place. We're basically treating the token section like a trash can or something.

[RB_Spirit]

I like the idea, assuming they're being moved because of the files being poorly stepped, and not based on how the community can handle the file. I concur. @ CP and RE. As for DP and RATO i'm not sure about yet. I mean, RATO may not take tons of skill to play.. DP on the other hand i think does. It's not just a clustered wall the entire duration of the song.

[TC_Halogen]

I personally have no issue with removing all of the Legacy files myself, but there people that would be greatly upset with this due to all of their hard earned effort.

[DossarLX ODI]

In the case of Revolutionary Etude there is a v2 available but the same could be said for Flight of the Bumblebee and One Minute Waltz. However OMW and FOTBB actually have some slight relevance to the songs (I like the original OMW more than the v2 color mess) while Revolutionary Etude is just entirely random.

The level for Revolutionary Etude can be moved into the classical genre for the file swap.

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

I personally have no issue with removing all of the Legacy files myself, but there people that would be greatly upset with this due to all of their hard earned effort.

I'm the only person that has legacy AAA'd and I can compare it to this analogy: It's nice to be able to keep an archive of what the game was like to preserve history, but it's very bad for the future users. It's kind of like how it's neat to see how Mosaic looked like (the first internet browser) but nobody uses it anymore.

[Pseudo Enigma]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

but it's very bad for the future users. It's kind of like how it's neat to see how Mosaic looked like (the first internet browser) but nobody uses it anymore.

pretty much this. We wont attract more people if we don't maintain a consistency. It's 2013. People have been playing on-sync files for a good while now.

I say we toss the Legacy files from levelranks and make them only playable via certain engines (maybe the Legacy Engine?)

[~Zeta~]

Switch revo and CP with their respective tokens.

@ilikexd, every game has their joke files, bad content, and stupid parts. Revo is no excuse to keep it public and afflict everyone with it's quality. Tokens are just the only way to manage these files. We don't have other genres or places for files that are shit (by today's standards) that truly don't belong in public ranks other than tokens. If you want to separate the quality of token songs, then another area should be available for CP, vROFL, P4U, TWWW, and Revo that won't tarnish current token songs. Something like Legend Tokens or something.


EDIT: poll needs to be reset. Can't vote on it atm.

EDIT2: My take on Legacy genre is that they really shouldn't be in public ranks. Sure, they're history of this site but it's really poor for it to be part of the core content. Make Legacy it's own genre but not included in public ranks. It lets them be 100% publicly available (except the ones that are tokens, of course) and not required to play through them.

[RB_Spirit]

I personally enjoy playing legacy files. If anything just make the legacy genre non public so that it records with the token level ranks. Sounds like a good idea to me -brainstorming-

[igotrhythm]

Ugh. I already voted in the first poll, so I can't vote in the second one.

There's going to be a lot of coding involved, since currently Revo and CP v2 are tokens unlocked by passing the v1. I'd like to think it's a simple matter of swapping song IDs in the relevant section of the source code, and we could even keep the current requirements (pass v2 to unlock v1), but something tells me there's enough complications that there might even need to be some downtime to make the necessary changes on the backend. One example of a complication would be a user that doesn't have CPv2 or REv2. Without v2 unlocked, they can't unlock v1. Unless there's code stating "this song is accessible to everyone if it's in this genre" or something.

As things are, Revo v1 and CP v1 are both buried quite deep in their respective genres, so I don't see why they should be moved. It's not like people will accidentally play them. However, despite CP v1's joke nature, we can't make it a token akin to vROFL because it's been out since 2006. If you don't want to play them, don't. If you care about these two songs tanking your avrank, well, that's your problem.

(voting NO)

[TheSaxRunner05]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

It's nice to be able to keep an archive of what the game was like to preserve history, but it's very bad for the future users. It's kind of like how it's neat to see how Mosaic looked like (the first internet browser) but nobody uses it anymore.

This is exactly how I feel about the entire legacy genre.

Reminds me of this thread -
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=125554

[mi40]

swap files that are poorly stepped

but.. there are still files in legacy that are adequately stepped - have admins/players look over this

[RB_Spirit]

Originally Posted by mi40

swap files that are poorly stepped

but.. there are still files in legacy that are adequately stepped - have admins/players look over this

This

[TheSaxRunner05]

What if someone kept the patterns but synced the legacy Genre?
Edit:// That would be a lot of work lol

Edit2:// On the topic of CP and Revo, I'd be fine with the switch

[Hateandhatred]

Pretty sad with dp/rato move to token, while I understand the rank issue, to the average player it is "lol you used to have easy access to death piano and rato well not anymore". Still, minor detail and not like these are a must for defining skill so they can go to the token section.

CP and revo swaps? Depends, fine with either case personally.

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by TheSaxRunner05

What if someone kept the patterns but synced the legacy Genre?
Edit:// That would be a lot of work lol

They don't have the right patterns. For example OMW Is just a bunch of stream/trills at a certain BPM. There are notes where there is music, but the intervals are all wrong, and the BPM probably is too. Same thing with Caprice, Molto, etc.

It's kind of like the expressive Konami DDR charts. Just put a bunch of patterns where there is sound, but the patterns have little or nothing to do with the actual music, just stuff that's fun to hit.

Actually, in general they are pretty onsync except for the Synthlight files.

[Pseudo Enigma]

Originally Posted by TheSaxRunner05

What if someone kept the patterns but synced the legacy Genre?
Edit:// That would be a lot of work lol

just was rethinking what I said about that.

It isn't the syncing alone. It's got some things to do about the patterns as well. Face it, if I stepped the most sync'd version of Crowdpleaser V1 and didn't touch the patterns at all, and submitted it today, it would be [--]'d by every judge.

However, some songs would be fine (eg. Story of Snowman and Sunshine Girl) if they were sync'd and had some minor adjustments.

just my 2c.
p.s. I'd be fine with FFR going down for a couple of days just to be able to do a mass renewal of the Legacy files.

[TC_Halogen]

There's absolutely nothing saying that they won't have easy access to the files anymore -- having to work for a token doesn't mean it's tough to access, it just means that it requires more effort.

Either way, this isn't a legacy discussion; it's a matter of determining whether or not a Revo/CP/DP/RATO move is justifiable (which on its own is still somewhat outside of the scope of this thread). In-game scoring mechanics make this a big deal and will be the reason I'll permanently advocate moving those files, as files like that likely won't get accepted in FFR again.

[TheSaxRunner05]

Can there be a new thread so everyone can vote? People who already voted (in the previous poll) can't vote again.

[One Winged Angel]

Someone please make a new thread if there's an issue with this poll, I'm not home right now (posting from my phone). Thank you.