Sarcasm

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by kjwkjw

I also find myself using several exclamation marks (often separated by a space from the last word) at the end of sarcastic comments, haha.

Right with you. This type of indicator is both obvious and funny-looking.

Even online, if I make a mistake, I admit my error. I've never been very cautious in this regard; I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I consciously avoid using "sarcasm" to cover up mistakes as in the examples shown here, because doing so would reduce the impact created by my own actual sarcasm.


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Originally Posted by bmah

Last example. This one is about joking around, but it's not necessarily the best idea. Is anyone supposed to detect this?:
Person B says, "My mother just passed away."
Person A replies, "Well I'm sure you'll have a nice life without her."
Person B says, "That's pretty rude. I loved my mother."
Person A replies, "Sarcasm. I was just messing around."

Even the sarcastic version of Person A's remark would be hurtful. Sarcasm attempts to imply the opposite of whatever is spoken or typed. "Well I'm sure you'll have a nice life without her" becomes "Your life will be horrible from now on." I don't think anyone would find the latter statement to be funny.

[Syhto]

too many times i done paid my dues, even today im still payin em fool

[G.S.M]

Originally Posted by Choofers

If we're talking about irl, I tend to be really sarcastic, but only sarcastic enough to not offend. If I offend someone with my sarcasm, I tend to quickly apologize and "lighten up" around that person. And I make sure it's glaringly obvious, at least for the person I'm talking to.

If we're talking about on the internet, then fuck bitches get money.

This except the apologize part

[Zapmeister]

for those having trouble with the general detection of sarcasm online, you may consider the purchase of one of these. i bought one when i was a gullible little thirteen-year-old trying to make my way around the internet (on dial-up) and it really helped. plugs straight into a usb port, speakers have ultra-quick response, and its accuracy is amazing

[/sarcasm]

related: sar chasm

[Cavernio]

I don't know too many people my age who would try to cover up an opinion for the sake of conformity. Silence is golden.

[kommisar]

just gotta know the person and their brand of humor

[Wayward Vagabond]

Everyone takes everything I say seriously all the time.

You'd think after a while people would catch on



But they don't




No one does













no one

[andy-o24]

Regardless of setting, I try to use basic conventions. Capitalization, correct spelling, punctuation, etc. Obviously, my grammar and conventions aren't perfect, but typing in that manner is me being serious unless I'm talking to someone who I know would understand my sarcasm.

For the most part, I'm being sarcastic. I like to chime in with things that make me laugh and hopefully someone will hear it (in real life) or read it and find the humor I'm using. Though, my sense of humor is mainly a dry wit anymore.

So detecting my sarcasm comes from knowing me and noticing my grammatical errors. I will stop capitalizing and intentionally spell words VERY wrong if I need to be very sarcastic. Usually caps lock is a good indicator as well.

I will never try to cover my lack of intelligence by saying I was being sarcastic. I can own up to being wrong. Everyone makes mistakes, and I'm wrong all the time.

As for your examples, I don't detect sarcasm in those. Any of them. I guess there is a personal way of conveying sarcasm that varies from person to person. It's just a matter of knowing that person well enough to detect their sarcasm when it isn't blatantly obvious.

It's funny. We talked last year in my literature class about making a sarcasm font to avoid such confusion. Were it so easy...

-o24

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Originally Posted by Magicturbo

I think sarcasm works best between 2 individuals who know each other to a particular extent. I probably wouldn't be 'as' sarcastic to someone I only just started talking to or met. But someone I've known for years would be able to pick up any sarcasm I throw from a mile away.

Even using it with good friends can be difficult if you're like myself and your tone doesn't change even slightly.

A teacher I had would confuse me being serious for me being sarcastic and vice versa.

Sarcasm is a great free tool for people like myself who tend to not think before they speak rather than speaking as we're thinking. Being naturally sarcastic as I am it's a good tool to cover up light jabs and not make the other person angry, but still gives you the feeling that you didn't hold back, at least in my case.

In general though, people really should be able to tell if you were joking or not if they can't that sucks for them honestly.

[infinity.]

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

Even using it with good friends can be difficult if you're like myself and your tone doesn't change even slightly.

A teacher I had would confuse me being serious for me being sarcastic and vice versa.

Sarcasm is a great free tool for people like myself who tend to not think before they speak rather than speaking as we're thinking. Being naturally sarcastic as I am it's a good tool to cover up light jabs and not make the other person angry, but still gives you the feeling that you didn't hold back, at least in my case.

In general though, people really should be able to tell if you were joking or not if they can't that sucks for them honestly.

honestly i tried to take this post seriously but split infinitives

also sarcasm is more often than not a negative thing (aka not practical or effective for communicative purposes).

[Choofers]

Originally Posted by Cavernio

I don't know too many people my age

that's because you're on a website with a bunch of high school and college students


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[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Choofers

heyyyoooooo

[Zageron]

I dearly hope that most people know when I am being sarcastic, and when I am not.

[SkySeal]

i hope people dont find out when im sarcastic
i think its working

[cetaka]

Originally Posted by andy-o24

As for your examples, I don't detect sarcasm in those. Any of them. I guess there is a personal way of conveying sarcasm that varies from person to person. It's just a matter of knowing that person well enough to detect their sarcasm when it isn't blatantly obvious.

probably becasue the OP as stated doesnt understand irony so that's what he or she sees in their own head when confronted by it

[j-rodd123]

nice thread

nice posts

[Syhto]

thanks omg

[bmah]

Originally Posted by cetaka

probably becasue the OP as stated doesnt understand irony so that's what he or she sees in their own head when confronted by it

I know what irony is and am not socially inept. The statement I'm making is that I don't believe sarcasm is always used for showing your wittiness. I actually think that it's frequently used to hide your dumbness. There would be no way for me to actually prove that in any given case though, but I can see how it can be used conveniently as such. Since I'm not usually sarcastic, I haven't gave much thought to the idea beforehand.

[andy-o24]

Originally Posted by bmah

The statement I'm making is that I don't believe sarcasm is always used for showing your wittiness. I actually think that it's frequently used to hide your dumbness. There would be no way for me to actually prove that in any given case though, but I can see how it can be used conveniently as such.

And therein lies the problem. If someone were to say something stupid thinking they know what they are talking about, or thinking they are saying something intelligent and are called out on it, falling back on sarcasm is an easy way for them to evade the income fire. On the other hand, however, if someone were to say something dripping with sarcasm that wasn't picked up by another individual and that other individual calls the sarcasm user stupid, then where does the user go to? Considering how on line forums work, debates are usually flame wars so the individual will continue calling the user stupid, even though the user swears up and down what they said was sarcastic.

In the latter situation, sarcasm is clearly being used in a relevant manner whereas in the former, sarcasm is used as a defense mechanism. But which situation is utilizing sarcasm more effectively? The defense mechanism, or the misunderstood sarcasm? The defense mechanism is just that, a way to not sound like an idiot when called out on saying something stupid. Does that mean it's truly sarcasm? Probably not. They are probably just an idiot. However is it much better to use sarcasm that isn't picked up on? Arguably not, since the desired understanding was missed.

So, in my opinion, it all comes down to understanding sarcasm and identifying it, which is no easy task. I would say if you call someone out on being stupid and they say they were being sarcastic, it's probably a defense mechanism. The person who can effectively utilize sarcasm will argue that they were using sarcasm effectively and the accuser just didn't pick up on it. Thoughts?

-o24

[bmah]

Originally Posted by andy-o24

I would say if you call someone out on being stupid and they say they were being sarcastic, it's probably a defense mechanism. The person who can effectively utilize sarcasm will argue that they were using sarcasm effectively and the accuser just didn't pick up on it. Thoughts?

The way you describe it sounds like sarcasm could be a visible form of insecurity amongst the user. That doesn't necessarily mean you're insecure if you use sarcasm, but a lot of "missed sarcasm" I find seem to match the situation you're describing.