Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

[TC_Halogen]

if by art, you mean intentional misrhythms and poor layering, then yes, I will hate your poorly crafted chart

oh wait, I'm not judging this batch so it won't matter, oops

[buizel8888]

Yes but thats not my drunken art B)

[Arch0wl]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

intentional misrhythms

There's nothing wrong with added rhythms (I refuse to call them "misrhythms"). A large number of major music games have been doing this since the beginning of time. All of the "arrow games" (DDR, ITG, PIU) add rhythms to their songs. Guitar Hero does this, surprisingly enough. Even Pop'n Music will be a little generous with its keysounds from time to time.

[qqwref]

Adding random arrows has its place in dumps, files for beginners (who can't handle the normal patterns of certain songs), and arguably files for mass consumption (I assume GH/ITG players would rather hit 16th and 24th patterns than deal with carefully synced color notes), but I'm not convinced it is something we want in this game.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

There's nothing wrong with added rhythms (I refuse to call them "misrhythms"). A large number of major music games have been doing this since the beginning of time. All of the "arrow games" (DDR, ITG, PIU) add rhythms to their songs. Guitar Hero does this, surprisingly enough. Even Pop'n Music will be a little generous with its keysounds from time to time.

There's a difference between misrhythms and easily recognizable chart syncopation. "New-gen" stepartists tend to find it "artistic" to intentionally use rhythms incorrectly (like offsetting to an 8th note), or intentionally misplaced offsets (see: kona-yta-mina tangs [altered scale], on KBO). I personally don't find it within myself to do either of these things.

I have played Pop'n/IIDX, and they're not adding rhythms to the songs; they add extra notes to the songs themselves in an effort to not make things "overcharted", through technicality (like how certain IIDX songs use more aggressively created melodies for their [A] charts).

Originally Posted by qqwref

Adding random arrows has its place in dumps, files for beginners (who can't handle the normal patterns of certain songs), and arguably files for mass consumption (I assume GH/ITG players would rather hit 16th and 24th patterns than deal with carefully synced color notes), but I'm not convinced it is something we want in this game.

Chart syncopation is common in DDR/ITG because it produces a chart that better represents the song (follow the music, not the notes of the song itself). That's an understandable and quite reasonable concept to apply in charts, though.

[AlexDest]

Sent in a file.

Electronic Music Is A Joke / kkrusty
Diff: 9

[Niala]

Re-sent Colibri 'cause I made changes 'cause I didn't like things.

Colibri / Kommisar
Diff: 11

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Chart syncopation is common in DDR/ITG because it produces a chart that better represents the song (follow the music, not the notes of the song itself). That's an understandable and quite reasonable concept to apply in charts, though.

It's always seemed to me that this is mainly done to make a file easier (because playing what's in the music would be too tricky for the current foot level, or something like that). I see that in a lot of easier FFR files ("files for beginners") and I'm fine with it for those, because there's really no other choice. Do you have some examples from those games where rhythms were made up for a difficulty that was equal/greater than what would have happened if the exact rhythms were used?

[Elite Ninja]

I just sent in Blooming Electro Flowers by Caine1989. Hopefully I sent it right XD. Also I hope I can learn from the mistakes I might make so that I can get good at this someday. Cant wait for the criticizing.

Oh crap I didnt know that we give it a difficulty. ummmmm

Diff: 8/9

I dont really know what difficulty it would be since FFRs opinion on difficultys are changing all the time XD.

[ichliebekase]

You don't have to give it a difficulty. People just like to do it to give the judges a hint as to what they may expect.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by qqwref

It's always seemed to me that this is mainly done to make a file easier (because playing what's in the music would be too tricky for the current foot level, or something like that). I see that in a lot of easier FFR files ("files for beginners") and I'm fine with it for those, because there's really no other choice. Do you have some examples from those games where rhythms were made up for a difficulty that was equal/greater than what would have happened if the exact rhythms were used?

In the upper difficulty, you'll have rhythms are that are added in an effort to increase difficulty while maintaining (or changing) flow.

[ITG] Take a look at this chart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpV8mC-ShA

In the chorus of the song, the rhythms are intentionally off-rhythm to add artificial difficulty.

This tends to happen often:
[PIU] Here's another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-WMCg91AEo

Because the song has an overall aggressive percussion, the chart is intentionally syncopated to give it an overall fast feel.

There are undoubtedly other examples, but good examples of these on FFR are songs that use runs in their chorus (or other places, to create an artificial rhythmic accompaniment).

[Elite Ninja]

Originally Posted by ichliebekase

You don't have to give it a difficulty. People just like to do it to give the judges a hint as to what they may expect.

Oh thanks XD.

Can someone let me know if I sent it in right? Not sure if I did. I am a little new to the whole winrar stuff.

[Patashu]

I'll judge this whole batch by myself if I have to

slacklords

[dore]

Originally Posted by qqwref

Do you have some examples from those games where rhythms were made up for a difficulty that was equal/greater than what would have happened if the exact rhythms were used?

every ddr chart ever. it's completely arbitrary, which works about half the time

[Patashu]

Cartoon Heroes Heavy is a good made-up-rhythms DDR chart. It has internal consistency by way of tieing specific made-up rhythms to specific parts of the music, and follows its own progression of difficulty.

[qqwref]

Alright, so I guess we have a pretty important judging question now: should we avoid taking off points for misrhythms (on non-easy songs) if they could possibly be stylistic/intentional?

[ichliebekase]

Originally Posted by qqwref

Alright, so I guess we have a pretty important judging question now: should we avoid taking off points for misrhythms (on non-easy songs) if they could possibly be stylistic/intentional?

It's a highly opinionated question :/ each person is going to say something different so it really shouldn't be addressed for the judging.

[Patashu]

I'll overlook misrhythms if you show that you are consistently and intelligently using them. I will suggest what's really there if it would be feasible to swap.

If you have misrhythms because you're sloppy or forgetful then they're errors.

[Patashu]

submitting Yakety Sax cuz aperson told me to step it

[Elite Ninja]

Just sent in a second file! Whoo I finished both before the deadline XD. The second song is....

Banjo Kazooie Rap Beat by PixlCrusher

Diff: 4-6

Yet another idk what difficulty. Not too familiar with the low levels.

Also what exactly are misrhythms? I might have some of that in my Banjo Kazooie song but it made it better actually.