A new look on Religion

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  • #16
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    fusi0n
    • Nov 2003
    • 2158

    so what's this 'new look' you are talking about?

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    • #17
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      Laharl
      • Sep 2003
      • 1821

      Originally posted by chardish
      The nonreligious cry out that raising kids to be religious is "brainwashing" them. But if that's true then aren't all forms of child-rearing "brainwashing"?

      The nonreligious cry out that the religious are simply fools who hope without any basis for their hope...when still they themselves suffer for lack of hope.

      The nonreligious fail to understand the power of faith - that it is possible to truly believe in something without incontrovertible scientific proof. The nonreligious fail to see the power this gives to the faithful.

      I'm a faithful person. My faith and my God do wonderful things for me, and I will be happy to help my children come to understand it the best I can.
      I agree here.

      Another thing I'd like to add,

      Most people that truly call themselves believers have gone and asked themself if that's what they truly believe. No "blind" faith at all. They go and question every tenet of their beliefs, and discover for themselves what they do and do not believe. I'd say the same is true for people that do not believe in God. They, too, reached whatever point they did by questioning what they do and do not believe.
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      • #18
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        makaveli121212
        • May 2003
        • 3823

        Originally posted by chardish
        The nonreligious cry out that raising kids to be religious is "brainwashing" them. But if that's true then aren't all forms of child-rearing "brainwashing"?

        The nonreligious cry out that the religious are simply fools who hope without any basis for their hope...when still they themselves suffer for lack of hope.

        The nonreligious fail to understand the power of faith - that it is possible to truly believe in something without incontrovertible scientific proof. The nonreligious fail to see the power this gives to the faithful.

        I'm a faithful person. My faith and my God do wonderful things for me, and I will be happy to help my children come to understand it the best I can.

        if youre attempting to discredit my statements know that i am a religous person, i have been at church every sunday for my whole life and in religous education my pre-high school years...it is brainwashing and that cant be argued...to tell a little kid that doesnt know any better that this is wrong and this is right and contionue to tell him so he cant make his own judgements is brainwashing
        Originally posted by VxDx
        Stick it in her butt and pee.

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        • #19
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          Jam930
          • Apr 2004
          • 1069

          I am a mormon.

          My friends believe in God fully, and they give testimonies and cry and are so into God, read scriptures every day and go to church on sundays and go to church activities on wednesdays and it's crazy. They tell me to pray, and tell me he'll answer if i want it and i am left in the dust. i have never gotten anything from God as far as i know, i find everything they teach hard to believe and i just cant follow it. And i think it may be because i quit the church during my childhood and rejoined at about 13 yrs of age, which is about when you get out of sunday school. Possibly my friends have been brainwashed to the point where they believe all this completely and they believe everything they're saying in testimonies of God.
          -Jamie

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          • #20
            FFR Player
            • May 2002
            • 1088

            Hope this doesn't sound like a flame, but that isn't a new approach to religion at all. Take L. Ron Hubbard for example. He created the church of scientology and created his own idea of how humans came to earth. There are thousands of believers. In a thousand years, Scientlolgy could become the largest religion.


            However, I feel a lot of us also have a religion we subscribe to, yet to refuse to admit it. The religion of science. The researchers are our clergy, and the mystery of the universe is there for us to solve. Keep giving them our money and our support, and they will eventually cure all ailments and answer all questions. If you don't think that's brainwashing, you're not looking at it from all perspectives.

            There is no evidence that God does not exist. There is no evidence that says that Ra, the sun God, does not control our faith after we die. Religions come and go, and coincidentally, the religion promoted by the richest, most powerful countries in the world. First it was christianity, now it's secularism.

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            • #21
              Seen your member
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              alainbryden
              • Dec 2003
              • 2873

              I'm very conscious of this common truth, and I, for one, am also very skeptical to a majority of the "truths" of science. It's no more true to beleive the explanation of what atomic particles are and do, and how the earth came to be, than any religious theory. Science is what christianity used to be: the generally accepted theory. Now some people blend the two. I just accept there's some things we don't know, and can't reason, no matter how strong the need for an explanation may be.
              ~NEIGH

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              • #22
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                Jam930
                • Apr 2004
                • 1069

                Originally posted by Anonymous
                that isn't a new approach to religion at all.
                i've been flamed!






                no jk.

                i never said it was a new approach to religion.

                Originally posted by Jam930
                THIS IS A NEW APPROACH TO RELIGION!!
                ...

                *takes her 'Speaking to Lower Lifeform' stance*

                i was just acting as like a...witness or inside source to try to "truthen" the thoughts of how religion was brainwashing we already had. ...jeez
                -Jamie

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                • #23
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                  Anticrombie0909
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 4683

                  Here's a good quote:
                  Don't pray in my school, I won't think in your church.
                  I find it funny. That said, I think I have to change my views on religion a little bit. I used to be very anti-religion, claiming that it was simply ignorance to accept the fact that we really don't know the big answers to the big questions. I still think that, but not in a cynical manner anymore. I believe that those who have faith truely believe that there is a God, he is watching over us, and they will do whatever they can to please him.

                  There are two kinds of people in this world. The ones that believe, and the ones that don't. The non believers are scared that somebody is taking control of their life and destiny. The believers are scared that somebody isn't. It's just two ends of a spectrum. I think that more than a literal being that sits up in the clouds and takes care of us, God is more a metaphor for a...shephard, if you will, continually watching over the human race. And that is why believers believe.

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                  • #24
                    Boss of all bosses
                    CypherToorima
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 2452

                    Originally posted by Anticrombie0909
                    There are two kinds of people in this world. The ones that believe, and the ones that don't. The non believers are scared that somebody is taking control of their life and destiny. The believers are scared that somebody isn't.
                    I can't say anything about the non-believers or even the believers. I can only speak for myself. I'm not particularly religious, but I do believe in God, but I am not so desperate for hope that I just believe. I believe because I choose to believe. I didn't go to Church or Sunday School when I was younger. I wasn't Brain-washed. (in which I kinda agree with everyone who said that the churches and such do brain-wash kids, but it's some what more of a shove in a certain direction) I'm not exactly sure why I believe. And I'm sure that even if I didn't, I wouldn't feel insecure. I just...believe. I don't think God is completely in control of my Life and Destiny. I believe that I'm here because he wants me here, and I'm supposed to do whatever I'm supposed to do. To some extent, Yes, I believe that I am here to do what he wants me to, but not like some slave.

                    Just my thoughts
                    I'm a figantic gaggot

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                    • #25
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                      makaveli121212
                      • May 2003
                      • 3823

                      ^^^exatcly how i feel
                      Originally posted by VxDx
                      Stick it in her butt and pee.

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                      • #26
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                        Monoc
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 15

                        Originally posted by CypherToorima
                        I can't say anything about the non-believers or even the believers. I can only speak for myself. I'm not particularly religious, but I do believe in God, but I am not so desperate for hope that I just believe. I believe because I choose to believe. I didn't go to Church or Sunday School when I was younger. I wasn't Brain-washed. (in which I kinda agree with everyone who said that the churches and such do brain-wash kids, but it's some what more of a shove in a certain direction) I'm not exactly sure why I believe. And I'm sure that even if I didn't, I wouldn't feel insecure. I just...believe. I don't think God is completely in control of my Life and Destiny. I believe that I'm here because he wants me here, and I'm supposed to do whatever I'm supposed to do. To some extent, Yes, I believe that I am here to do what he wants me to, but not like some slave.
                        This is exactly what I am saying. You have found faith by your own path, and it has helped you develop yourself as a person. I think spirituality is a good thing for every person to have, but they should find it by themselves instead of having it indoctronated into them at a young age. I think it cheapens the experience. Keep your options open at a young age, and narrow in on what makes you happy.

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                        • #27
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                          makaveli121212
                          • May 2003
                          • 3823

                          BAM!!

                          couldnt have said that any better Monoc, that was my original point exactly, but worded much better
                          Originally posted by VxDx
                          Stick it in her butt and pee.

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                          • #28
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                            ruifio894
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 675

                            i really think religion is messed up, as long as ou belive in different things.



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                            • #29
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                              makaveli121212
                              • May 2003
                              • 3823

                              ruifio, i kinda feel sorry for you because you really are so oblivious...its just sad
                              Originally posted by VxDx
                              Stick it in her butt and pee.

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                              • #30
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                                ChEeKyGaTo
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 19

                                Ignorance...Thats how religion was born.

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