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09-8-2012, 10:36 AM | #1 |
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My GTS Story (Need opinion/argument)
Hello there, I don't make threads very often but I got a question for actually everyone on this site who sort of cares about stats etc.
Let's assume you're all admins and need to take a decision. Then you look at my backstory. - You see that I've been an active member for 7 years. - You see that I got blacklisted for cheating in the past. (The motive being that I was a complete retard one night and hacked scores literally out of rage with the first thing I found and got caught like the day after.) - You also see that I made another account(Etylukah) and started back from zero because I was blacklisted. - You see that the admin who blacklisted me left the site. - You see another admin who unblacklisted me on my main account because it looked like I was still caring about the game and the usual cheaters eventually just leave because they're not having fun at some point and realize that they were doing it wrong. - You see an isolation engine made by that member to help out other members with FFR. - You see a post in suspicious scores thread asking to wipe Etylukah scores so all the scores can be on one account. - You see that I'm still active and don't really plan to quit any time soon. - You see me asking to get GTS combined so I can continue playing on Hakulyte like it was my only main account. I'd like to mention that Etylukah is not just an alt account. Etylukah was under theses circumstances a forced new main account because scores didn't record anymore on Hakulyte and I wanted to keep track of my time investment @ GTS on top of rankings because I knew I would stay here for a while. I'm still here. I do have other alts, like DN_Haku, PK_Hakunamatata, these are not getting combined because they're alt accounts and were made voluntary for MP etc. and if I had wanted to combine them, I should have just played on Hakulyte to begin with.. My point is that even if I got rightfully blacklisted in the past, I feel like I actually evolved since then and realized how dumb I was to have done this. The past has been following me since years and I really can't change what happened. You probably also noticed that my GTS jumped to 69bil recently and moved back to 52bil. The reason was because opinions were partaged and they eventually removed it because some admin clearly disagree with me. The problem imo is that I need impartial people, to talk for or against me. What I say to admins have no real value because of what happened in the past. Things are different now, but it's still hard to completely agree or disagree on this. So, why did I make this thread? ..because I need you guys to tell me why it's wrong or right to combine GTS at this point. Since it's my story, what I say to admins is obviously biased so, I need other people to care or not about this. So, what do you think FFR? What should happen? Why? Are FFR rules clearly dealing with this? Are you fine with if this was treated like an exception? Wouldn't that be unfair? Feel free to ask questions and make things clear. Last edited by Hakulyte; 09-8-2012 at 10:39 AM.. |
09-8-2012, 10:42 AM | #2 |
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Re: My GTS Story (Need opinion/argument)
i dont see what the problem is lol. combine them. argument against might be "if i do it for you i'll have to do it for everyone else" which is fine except who else has invested billions of points on alt accounts when they couldve just played on their main to begin with? not many i am sure.
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09-8-2012, 10:45 AM | #3 |
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Re: My GTS Story (Need opinion/argument)
In my opinion, with all that you do to help around here, I don't see a problem with it. We all make mistakes. You did it out of anger, and HAD to switch accounts for awhile. You definitely show that you understand why everything happened based on your actions. You have more than one other account? You understand those are just alts? That's obvious right there that your not trying to just boosted your GTS. There's been a few people to have exceptions for things. (Sprite and tibs getting a name change, carlos switching his shit over to his alt(new main?))
TLDR: Just give hakulyte his damn points already.
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09-8-2012, 10:49 AM | #4 |
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Re: My GTS Story (Need opinion/argument)
the only thing that got switched over to my new main is my files because it was mandatory. cant have files on different accounts etc. other than that though i didnt get anything transferred over(oh yah vet status but im not the first or only)
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09-8-2012, 10:50 AM | #5 |
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Re: My GTS Story (Need opinion/argument)
You should get it because honestly, I don't think anyone will disagree with you at this point.
Also you should get it as a birthday present. Last edited by Strum; 09-8-2012 at 10:54 AM.. |
09-8-2012, 11:08 AM | #6 |
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Re: My GTS Story (Need opinion/argument)
lol, I have no right to request a "birthday present" from admins just because the date is convenient. It's really up to their discretion. The thing I'm actually curious with is how the rules are dealing with this specific case. A lot of people besides me got special background stories with their accounts and I do believe there is things like exceptions/second chances etc. as long as the person understand that what he/she did was wrong and work on fixing themselves. You don't just punish people for fun and see them regret forever, it's supposed to be more than that if the one who's wrong actually care. I think it's a good thread to talk about rules in general and where to place the line. I could write a 900 words essay about why I think my position is right and some people could probably do the same with the opposite stance. I'm just curious about what the staff and the members think of this with more details.
I did cheat, I did cross the line at least once, but I kept playing and I still like this game for what it is. I'm human too, I make mistakes, I would probably punch my old self in the face if I could go on a time machine. I don't have much to say besides what's already here. Last edited by Hakulyte; 09-8-2012 at 11:12 AM.. |
09-8-2012, 11:13 AM | #7 |
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I wouldn't combine the scores if I were admin. While you have done plenty for the community and we all appreciate it, the fact remains is that it was considered an alt before getting blacklisted on your main, and then switching to it as your new main during the time of blacklisting. I would consider myself lucky that the second account wasn't banned by admins during the time of blacklisting, considering ban evade is also permanent now (Yeah, it's permanent. God knows why they only increase ban time when someone does it). Being able to play on a second account while being permanently banned and not getting caught imo was a privilege in itself and while they did unban you after a considerable amount of time because the admin left and you were still playing, shares the same kind of conclusion as to this thread as well. Why didn't the admins ban your second account when they saw it? Instead, they unbanned your main so that you could use it again because the admin that originally blacklisted you had left.
Of course that is if everyone follows protocol and I've been in the wrong hand like this as well. You've been on the site longer than me and lecturing rules and protocol does nothing because you probably would know it better than me. If I were in this particular position, I would have done what you have did right now, but considering what should have been done (according to current rules, they were probably different back then), the time that has passed since, and me not being around to actually experience you doing it.... It leaves me at probably a 50/50. You gained the scores legitimately but you gained them during a time where you should have been banned. |
09-8-2012, 11:29 AM | #8 | ||
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"Why didn't the admins ban your second account when they saw it? Instead, they unbanned your main so that you could use it again because the admin that originally blacklisted you had left." That's just prove that admins doesn't all think the same way and that's truly confusing when you get into my situation. Since it feels like a "gray zone" where nothing is clear I'd rather try to get information like making this thread to see what people thinks and hopefully someone in staff also see this. Quote:
I had trouble to explain myself in an intelligent way at the time because I was too busy hating myself for being an idiot in the first place. By the time I made some sense over what I did, Tasselfoot already had left FFR. It sucks because because I was like a rival with him on FFR and we had fun on Kongregate and I even seen him recently on Thirdstyle. Sadly he also left Thirdstyle and I didn't had the chance to chat much with him about this. I don't really think he cares anymore, he just did what was right on the moment and I just failed to react properly. Last edited by Hakulyte; 09-8-2012 at 11:40 AM.. |
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09-8-2012, 12:04 PM | #9 |
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Re: My GTS Story (Need opinion/argument)
I'd say nay.
The, "You did it for Hakulyte, so why not for me?" argument still stands if combining your grand total will ever happen. If this does happen to come into effect, it's inevitable to doubt that members will start asking to combine other stats such as: Games Played, Badges, Skill/Tokens, Post Count, etc. I'm sure it wouldn't take a lot of time to do but it's the quantity of requests that will be a problem. Which will just leave more frustrating work for the admins to deal with. Also, while you have been active and servicing the community greatly, you were still being disobedient back when, especially on a rule that was and is still taken serious. Anyhow, these stat combinations should happen eventually, but there's more to worry about for the site than to take care of fulfilling every member's combination request. #occupyGameStats
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09-8-2012, 12:19 PM | #11 | |
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09-8-2012, 01:40 PM | #12 | |
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Why Hakulyte's situation is different is because Etylukah wasn't serving as an alternate account, but in fact his forced main one. Since the admins at the time blacklisted Hakulyte, but allowed him to continue play as Etylukah, it was the only way he could even play FFR. Then after a couple of years Hakulyte was taken off the blacklist, so now he was essentially stuck with two main accounts. I feel the admins handled this case incorrectly in the past, and should have either banned Etylukah on sight, or just wiped his scores on Hakulyte, and let him continue to play on it after the apology. I feel this error of judgement, along with all of the effort put into getting this GTS, should be enough reason to warrant combining the two. Plus, it was ALREADY done, and should have been left alone.
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09-8-2012, 11:13 AM | #13 |
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Re: My GTS Story (Need opinion/argument)
there is absolutely no reason for them to keep your accounts separated. I kinda find this whole situation BS. But that's just me. The only people who should actually have ANY problem with this is just #2 and #3 of the OvRanks.
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09-8-2012, 11:17 AM | #14 |
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iirc haku apologized which is why he was able to play and post on his alt. thats how tass ran things back then and how im sure things run now. apologize for what you did and mean it and you'll be given a second chance
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09-8-2012, 11:22 AM | #15 |
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Re: My GTS Story (Need opinion/argument)
Considering that Haku did this, the main account should have been unbanned at the time of apology and there would have been no need to play on the second account. The scores from both accounts should be combined.
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09-8-2012, 11:20 AM | #16 |
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lulz, I think I know the admin that took your points away after someone else already gave them to you, but I'll keep that to myself.
I think you should get them combined, for all previous reasons stated. You understand that you made a mistake before and you've since tried (and succeeded in) helping the community ever since. You're a very friendly person and never seem to cause problems throughout the forums or profiles. (And it's your birthday for crying out loud, lulz.) Give him the points, and hey admins, maybe then he'll stop bothering you about it!! ;] EDIT: Krunky Says : Personally, I knew about all the issues that happened with you Hak, and honestly I don't see any indication you are who you once were. You basically summarized it all up in your OP stating everything that you do on this site, and honestly it's more then enough to validate your change in personality since the blacklist. People do stupid things, people change, and imo as a good friend I believe, you have easily shown that you have changed and yes you should get these points combined. As for the admins and this issues, of course it will be up to them ultimately, nothing we say here has any bearing on whether or not you get them combined. But, just a little piece of advice, you earn trust and loyalty. Haku did do something bad, but I think the years over it has shown that he is still a loyal member of this community and should be shown a little bit of praise for all that he does inside and out of FFR. /my2cents
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09-8-2012, 11:25 AM | #17 |
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Re: My GTS Story (Need opinion/argument)
I've heard of this being a conflicting issue within staff for quite some time now.
In any case, I do feel like the totals should be combined simply because you were given a reprieve from the same staff member that blacklisted you. With that being said: why are other staff members trying to control a situation that was already resolved? Combine the scores, stop wasting time on a trivial issue, move on to something more important. Everyone already knows that Hakulyte is the player with the most points on the site, and I don't see why this would be a problem. |
09-8-2012, 11:29 AM | #18 |
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09-8-2012, 07:41 PM | #19 |
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09-8-2012, 03:00 PM | #20 |
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Totally agreed... I also don't think people realize how much 17 billion points is, that's almost three times *MY* grandtotal.
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