Official Tier Point System Thread

[Vanilla Mnm]

it is impossible to satisfy everybody.

[TC_Halogen]

Well, I had two different ideas when this thread first came up - might as well mention them:

1.) Based off of the R1 Difficulties Thread, the difficulties were split into 99 points, but there are also decimal ratings on a scale from 1-6. Initially, my idea was to include all songs that were 4.0+, and split them upward into the 5 tiers (T0, T1, T2, T3, T4) that you had. Assign point values based off of their tier - 4.0 for Tier 4, 4.5 for Tier 3, 5.0 for Tier 2, 5.5 for Tier 1, and 6.0 for Tier 0 (which is difficulties 8 and up). Skill tokens can be included in here, but songs within the lower tiers must be thought about because not a lot of players can obtain some of these tiers. Each song can have values similarly to the style of the current tier point system, and receiving a static percentage throughout ALL tiers will move you up to the next tier. Failure to play in new songs that are added would lower your tier percentage, and thus knock out inactive players.

By static percentage, I mean that every tier would have the same required percentage needed to move on (if tier 4 required x percentage, then tiers 3 to 0 would require the same - for a truly tiered setup).

Tier values would be assigned based on their difficulty within that certain skill level (for example, a AAA on Etude for a Dragon [9] would be less than Legendary Etude [9]).

2.) Tiered based off of aspects within a file

This one would be a lot harder to put together. Basically, you take files that are catered towards a ton of streaming, a ton of technicality, a ton of (whatever aspect) and put a maximum attainable amount, where getting the % out of the maximum would determine what your tier is. Something like Reality would fall under a really high tiered streaming song, where as something like AAA would be on the lower end. Of course, there would still be assigned point values for each song, with more point value distribution given to the higher levels. A lot harder to ponder, but it's a thought.

EDIT: Clarification for idea 1 - forgot some stuff:

- AAA bonus would boost your tier % for the highest tier by small intervals (and I feel like the AAA count needed for the bonus REALLY needs to go down)
- Tiers would be unlocked after getting x % in a group. By getting x% of Tier 4, you unlock Tier 3. X of Tier 3 gives you Tier 2, etc. Any other songs done unofficially (i.e. those people who have 12 AAAs but haven't touched the other songs) would not receive credit for songs within the higher tiers until they completed the lower ones.
- not every song needs to be included, still a hand-picked group of 8s-12s, but the list should be fairly sizable to give those working for the Tier 4/Tier 3 requirements something to do if they get stuck

[krunkykai22]

+1 to Aj, nuff said.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Originally Posted by Vanilla Mnm

it is impossible to satisfy everybody.

basically. >_>

[krunkykai22]

lol basically? haha the hell you kidding Plan, your only happy if you get everything YOU want, ****ing elitist prick.

EDIT: And now I'm out for the night, again, I think AJ/Ironics ideas were actually amazing, good suggestions really

[One Winged Angel]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

2.) Tiered based off of aspects within a file

This one would be a lot harder to put together. Basically, you take files that are catered towards a ton of streaming, a ton of technicality, a ton of (whatever aspect) and put a maximum attainable amount, where getting the % out of the maximum would determine what your tier is. Something like Reality would fall under a really high tiered streaming song, where as something like AAA would be on the lower end. Of course, there would still be assigned point values for each song, with more point value distribution given to the higher levels. A lot harder to ponder, but it's a thought.

this is a really interesting way of looking at it, would also show players what their strengths and weaknesses are, hmm...

[iironiic]

Originally Posted by kmay

Everyone needs to get it in their little heads that earning a Tier Point is not supposed to be something easy. No level 9's needs to touch this list.

Tier posts are staying elitist because they are an elitist quality. stop with all this(including lower leveled players)

It's easy for you to say that because of how biased you are with the fact that you can AAA 9's. But consider how difficult many dedicated people strive to AAA that 9. Do you think they deserve nothing based on how hard they try to hit every single arrow perfectly? It's like not rewarding yourself for AAAing an FMO. You need to be a little more open minded and consider what's fair for everyone else.

Tier points are staying "elitist" because you make every tier point you achieve elite. But look at the other pros. People like Rubix or Dossar don't give a damn if they earn they're very first TP, simply because it's not out of their range. Yes, they are pros, but you need to realize that TP is not an indication whether you are pro or not; it's an indication of improvement, which what we are all striving for.

[kmay]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Okay so everyone from DF wasn't there and being encouraging to EVERYONE on the team including d1 players. I progressed so much faster because of that. And so what if people went through not having encouragement before that doesn't mean things shouldn't change for the better now. We're a community of people and people of all levels should be recognized not just the omg wtf players. Everyone should feel like they belong here.

And what I love too is you both came off with such a poor attitude about it. I saw plans post about not being a douche but dude when you express this stuff you're always talking down to people and saying stuff with an attitude. It's not hard to express opinions in a nice manner.

my attitude is poor because im tired of hearing this.

nothing should change. having VD's in the TP list is asinine.

let me put it this way. NFL= T0

college is anyone T4 and up

why would we include anything more general than that? it would be like playing every highschool game on TV. there are too many teams/players. they have to work their way up.

and kayla DF was personal choice anyone could have joined and been praised, but it never helped me. i didnt get my slight skill boost till the site came back up. even after months of whoring SM dumps.

[TC_Halogen]

edited my post

EDIT: I love the true colors of some of these people

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by iironiic

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Yes, they are pros, but you need to realize that TP is not an indication whether you are pro or not; it's an indication of improvement, which what we are all striving for.

^^

[krunkykai22]

lol wow peoples true selves come out now ...

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Originally Posted by krunkykai22

lol basically? haha the hell you kidding Plan, your only happy if you get everything YOU want, ****ing elitist prick.

EDIT: And now I'm out for the night, again, I think AJ/Ironics ideas were actually amazing, good suggestions really

Isnt that exactly what the lower skill people are doing? They are only happy if they get what they want which is what is being discussed right now.

[ichliebekase]

Originally Posted by iironiic

Yes, they are pros, but you need to realize that TP is not an indication whether you are pro or not; it's an indication of improvement, which what we are all striving for.

<3

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

edited my post

EDIT: I love the true colors of some of these people

You were thinking the same thing I was!

[KotHN]

not gonna bother quoting iironiic, but s/he said that tier points are a system of measuring improvement. I never got the impression that's what they were :S

I love the idea of having tiers for the people who just FC'ed free space for the first time, to people who finally AAA'd Death Piano, but I never got that impression from tier points.

aka, i'm defending planbsk8, because i think he's totally right about the difficulty of achieving tier points. it should be pretty fookin hard. but I'm also 100000% percent for having a tier-point-like system that even noobs can get rated on.

Also, wtf krunky. what is your problem? you scare me man ^_^

[rushyrulz]

kmay, just because nobody was nice to you doesn't mean that people don't deserve the encouragement now. It's my primary goal in this game to make others better. I could give 3 shits less about my own scores in comparison to someone I'm trying to help.

even YOU asked for some advice from me and I gave you a few tips that you used and then succeeded with. Do you have any idea how good that made me feel? Sure, maybe nobody was there to give me the helping hand when I needed it, but I know how big of an impact that can make on some people. I try to do the best I can to make new players feel welcome and succeed in this game.

The reason I'm so passionate about this topic is because I can't help but to just sit back and watch FFR turn into a society of snobbish elites. I'm going to try my hardest to make sure that doesn't happen. I don't care when someone AAAs LGC, I care when I see someone trying their hardest and succeeding on a lower level song and then has the balls (that you so rudely told them to grow) to post a score.

The division of the FFR Scores thread was totally necessary because now the intermediate players, the future of FFR are getting recognized for their scores. If you think that's a bad thing, you're insane.

Lets try looking at this inversely. If you think it's okay for elites to have a ranking system of their own, is it okay for the other players to have their own reserved ranking where the elites are excluded? Nooo, because then I wouldn't get to feel special by being part of that ranking system, but I can just support things that suit me.

Take a look at the bigger picture here.

EDIT: wow, a lot of posts since this one was made. I'm referring to kmay's first post.

[kmay]

Originally Posted by iironiic

It's easy for you to say that because of how biased you are with the fact that you can AAA 9's. But consider how difficult many dedicated people strive to AAA that 9. Do you think they deserve nothing based on how hard they try to hit every single arrow perfectly? It's like not rewarding yourself for AAAing an FMO. You need to be a little more open minded and consider what's fair for everyone else.

Tier points are staying "elitist" because you make every tier point you achieve elite. But look at the other pros. People like Rubix or Dossar don't give a damn if they earn they're very first TP, simply because it's not out of their range. Yes, they are pros, but you need to realize that TP is not an indication whether you are pro or not; it's an indication of improvement, which what we are all striving for.

whats fair for everyone else? is what has been going on the entire time the site has been up and using tier points. no reason too all of the sudden make it lower level friendly, and btw i struggle to AAA just like all those lower level deidcated players.

also personally i know that i had no idea what a tier point was until i got [heavy] we have goals for the lower level players to obtain, and when they can get those they can work on getting tier points.

not elitist because i am not elite nor do i think i am. I am merely saying that it should not be changed to allow anyone and everyone to get a tier point.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by kmay

my attitude is poor because im tired of hearing this.

nothing should change. having VD's in the TP list is asinine.

If nothing should change then it shouldn't have become more difficult either.

kayla DF was personal choice anyone could have joined and been praised, but it never helped me. i didnt get my slight skill boost till the site came back up. even after months of whoring SM dumps.

You went through skill increases on the team as well don't sit there and act like you didn't. You increased a good bit for a while then you ended up having a drop which everyone sat there and encouraged you to keep trying. Personal choice or not the point was that you sat there like "oh no one was ever there for me trying to help me" when that is complete BS cause we all were there rooting for you.

[krunkykai22]

Plan = why don't the lower skilled people get something for a change huh? What do they have? Beginner skill tokens?? Regular skill tokens that EVERYONE has?? What else do they ****in have?? Do they have veteran status for all the cool little features?? No, they have NOTHING besides the game and the forums and some tokens to achieve, why do THEY have to be left in the ****in dust for?? Why? Because someone like you has a dildo up their ass for the elitist players??

Dude, before you start acting like a self centered arrogant bitch, think about EVERYONE on this site, not just yourself. YOU do not make FFR what it is now, you know who does? EVERYONE, including the NEWER PEOPLE that keep making this ****ing site grow larger by the day.

[iironiic]

Originally Posted by KotHN

not gonna bother quoting iironiic, but he said that tier points are a system of measuring improvement. I never got the impression that's what they were :S

It's hard to get that impression because so many people are so competitive these days. People will literally use TPs as a way to check whether you are pro or not. It's really why I stopped playing in tournaments, just because of this competitive attitude. What happened to the "fun factor" in FFR?

[KotHN]

Originally Posted by iironiic

It's hard to get that impression because so many people are so competitive these days. People will literally use TPs as a way to check whether you are pro or not. It's really why I stopped playing in tournaments, just because of this competitive attitude. What happened to the "fun factor" in FFR?

FFR is like golf. You shouldn't need other people to tell you when you're good or not. There should be no need for any sort of list at any point. Buuuut, people want it, so everyone should have access to something they can measure their achievements against.
I just always viewed "Tier Points" (c) as something extra special super awesome hard to get. I want that to stay the same, so let's just make something similar for the lower ranks.