Dump Batch Discussion Thread

[ToonE156]

I will have to agree with choof here

I haven't seen any argument against this that doesn't sound like the person making the argument is stuck in 2011 or 2016 styled bursty VS breakcore charting. I love high bpm stuff as much as the next guy (I don't like bursts that much lmao) but it would be really nice to see something like Doja Cat being in the 80+ range of difficulty

I might make a video about my thoughts to this later idk

[ositzxz369]

Originally Posted by ToonE156

2016 styled VS breakcore charting

1st instance of modern VS stepping is from Choof's My Half (released at 2012), so I think we're still stuck in 2012 styled VS breakcore charting.

[loftyb]

no normal person wants to casually listen to breakcore

[Skayles]

im a genetic freak and im not normal

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by loftyb

no normal person wants to casually listen to breakcore

late as fuck post, and not meaning to call anyone out but, I think there could be a really interesting conversation between you and Gradiant.

Originally Posted by AutotelicBrown

the question is more about how prepared the current judge team is to assess that.

I can safely say for myself I have a huge bias on what makes a good dump chart vs what makes a bad chart so I am very much unprepared myself to hand out judgment on dump files. Therefore, I will probably not be judging many dump files at all (At least, I am well aware of that bias, and don't wish to impede files in the system because of it).

On the topic of whether judges are ready for it or not, I don't think they would open a special batch for it unless they had a modicum of readiness and confidence in judging it.

Originally Posted by klimtkiller

I stepped the TV static very accurately to the music. that part took me hours. ffr is the only 'true' 4k rhythm game left because it actually steps accurately to the music, and it makes ffr unique.

I think a counter-argument can be made in the light of Wiosna's recent SotW post that delves into how dumps getting accepted into FFR has been a long-time movement since the inception of Vantablack & Naruto's Ninja Way being put in-game. Ghost notes have been slowly added and sprinkled into bass wobbles for emphasis over multiple charts to make said songs more interesting. Which has led into ghost notes for music layering, then structure, and eventually dump files.

[Lights]

I mean, I really don't mind the breakcore files. I might not want to sit down and listen to VS all night, but to me a good breakcore file is just as appealing as a good dump file.

a good chart is a good chart, regardless of the philosophy behind the stepping. There is something to be said about how song choice can affect a player's enjoyment based on their music preferences, but theres an audience for pretty much any type of file as long as diligence and effort is put into its creation.

[ToonE156]

Originally Posted by Lights

I mean, I really don't mind the breakcore files. I might not want to sit down and listen to VS all night,

We are all thinking of the same person aren't we

[ositzxz369]

Originally Posted by ToonE156

We are all thinking of the same person aren't we

That person is me! I unironically sit down and listen to VS all night sometimes.

[klimtkiller]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

I think a counter-argument can be made in the light of Wiosna's recent SotW post that delves into how dumps getting accepted into FFR has been a long-time movement since the inception of Vantablack & Naruto's Ninja Way being put in-game. Ghost notes have been slowly added and sprinkled into bass wobbles for emphasis over multiple charts to make said songs more interesting. Which has led into ghost notes for music layering, then structure, and eventually dump files.

that was already a slippery slope. i just hope dumps, if they are implemented, are in a separate category.

[Lights]

Originally Posted by klimtkiller

that was already a slippery slope. i just hope dumps, if they are implemented, are in a separate category.

On what grounds should dumps be segregated from the existing content on FFR?

You're just drawing an arbitrary line in the sand based on your own preferences and imposing it onto others- if you don't like dumps, dont play them. nobody is forcing you to play content you don't personally enjoy.

[klimtkiller]

Originally Posted by Lights

On what grounds should dumps be segregated from the existing content on FFR?

You're just drawing an arbitrary line in the sand based on your own preferences and imposing it onto others- if you don't like dumps, dont play them. nobody is forcing you to play content you don't personally enjoy.

FFR has for years prided itself on having high-quality files; charting was down to an artform, and it actually took skill to make a good chart. this is also probably demotivating for the stepartists who put so much effort making their chart perfect all this time. it’s like it was pointless and it’s like, why continue to put in effort anymore into charts, or chart at all?

allowing dumps is a huge step in the wrong direction.

[ToonE156]

same Skayles, i relate

[Wiosna]

you see if you were to go one to one with another stepper you'd have a 50% chance of winning, but i'm a breakcore enjoyer and i'm not normal, so you have a 75% chance at worst at beat me. and then if you add gold stinger into the mix, your chances of winning drastic go up

[VisD]

what did she mean by this

[Tru]

Dump Batch submissions are still open for another month! There's still time to polish and submit your files.

If you miss the deadline, no worries! You can still submit dumps to the regular batch.

[klimtkiller]

what the fuck, please don’t allow dumps in-game.

if you’re going to put dumps in, make a specific dump-only section where everything is rated 0 difficulty, or atleast don’t make it go towards skill rating. they should be completely distinct from the main part of the game, or not allowed at all. we have ffrmania for random sm files, there could be an ffr dump-file engine separate from the main engine.

[storn42]

Originally Posted by klimtkiller

what the fuck, please don’t allow dumps in-game.

if you’re going to put dumps in, make a specific dump-only section where everything is rated 0 difficulty, or atleast don’t make it go towards skill rating. they should be completely distinct from the main part of the game, or not allowed at all. we have ffrmania for random sm files, there could be an ffr dump-file engine separate from the main engine.

Why shouldn't they be allowed in game? They're a valid form of charting and allows more options for higher difficulty songs (when we need more d8-9 content this is important). Just because we're going to start accepting dumps (and tbh we've been heading this way for a while) doesn't mean we're going to start putting bad files into the game. In all honesty, it'll probably be more scrutinized than regular files. To quote the op "dumping is a style of charting, not an excuse to make poor files!"

I'm not a huge fan of dump files myself, but i still agree they deserve to be put in game, especially when done well.

[klimtkiller]

Originally Posted by storn42

Why shouldn't they be allowed in game? They're a valid form of charting and allows more options for higher difficulty songs (when we need more d8-9 content this is important). Just because we're going to start accepting dumps (and tbh we've been heading this way for a while) doesn't mean we're going to start putting bad files into the game. In all honesty, it'll probably be more scrutinized than regular files. To quote the op "dumping is a style of charting, not an excuse to make poor files!"

I'm not a huge fan of dump files myself, but i still agree they deserve to be put in game, especially when done well.

having the charts stepped accurately to the music has always been a staple of ffr. I didn’t spend hours and hours slowing down the music to try and make out minute sounds, make sure jumps are stepped to the correct sounds, make sure all the layering is accurate and consistent, just for that to get all thrown out of the window with dumps being accepted.

[Pizza69]

Originally Posted by klimtkiller

having the charts stepped accurately to the music has always been a staple of ffr. I didn’t spend hours and hours slowing down the music to try and make out minute sounds, make sure jumps are stepped to the correct sounds, make sure all the layering is accurate and consistent, just for that to get all thrown out of the window with dumps being accepted.

did you even read the OP?

[klimtkiller]

Originally Posted by Pizza69

did you even read the OP?

“...often focusing more on how a pattern feels to play rather than the individual notes and technical details present in a song. “

yes...