Breaking Bad

[Reincarnate]

It depends on what you define as a loose end, but IMO I agree. Some might argue that Gus' backstory is a loose end, or the Gray Matter backstory, etc, but honestly I think they're sufficiently covered. There are, of course, gaps -- but you can pretty much fill them in with whatever details you want and it'll be just as valid.

[smartdude1212]

If there are loose ends remaining after Felina, they won't be tantamount to those of Lost.

[Reincarnate]

fuck LOST so much

don't get me started

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there needs to be a .gif of todd mercilessly headshotting Jesse's girl. HOLY SHIT that guy doesn't show emotion AT ALL EVER.

todd does what is needed to get the job done, plain and simple. love that fucker, even if he terrifies me.

[One Winged Angel]

remember when the Lost writers said sometime near the end of the first season that there was no way they'd end the series with everyone being dead all along lol

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by top

there needs to be a .gif of todd mercilessly headshotting Jesse's girl. HOLY SHIT that guy doesn't show emotion AT ALL EVER.

todd does what is needed to get the job done, plain and simple. love that fucker, even if he terrifies me.

sociopathy

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

remember when the Lost writers said sometime near the end of the first season that there was no way they'd end the series with everyone being dead all along lol

again, fuck them

[Tps222]

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

remember when the Lost writers said sometime near the end of the first season that there was no way they'd end the series with everyone being dead all along lol

They weren't dead all along. Once Jack died, the show fastforwarded to a special holding room where everyone from the island went when they died. The room said that the Island was the most important times in their lives and now they are all reunited. That the journey is what mattered, not the plot.

Aka it was a shitty cop out ending that any of us could have written better. Fuck that show and their incompetent ancient alien-like writers. Anyone who still cites that show (or Dexter now) as quality needs to watch Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Hannibal, Sorpanos etc.

Gus's and Mike's backstory would be interesting to see explored in the Better Call Saul prequel, as he did know them, but I doubt they will go there.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by Tps222

They weren't dead all along. Once Jack died, the show fastforwarded to a special holding room where everyone from the island went when they died. The room said that the Island was the most important times in their lives and now they are all reunited. That the journey is what mattered, not the plot.

Aka it was a shitty cop out ending that any of us could have written better. Fuck that show and their incompetent ancient alien-like writers. Anyone who still cites that show (or Dexter now) as quality needs to watch Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Hannibal, Sorpanos etc.

Gus's and Mike's backstory would be interesting to see explored in the Better Call Saul prequel, as he did know them, but I doubt they will go there.

Actually the big theory going around at the start of the series was that the island was Purgatory. People figured that was the "big reveal" even at the end of the first episode or two. And then the writers were like, "Pffftt, uhh... NOOOO." >.> <.<

And then when the finale, years later, rolls around, it turns out that they took the Purgatory idea and just changed it up a bit. The island was no longer Purgatory. Purgatory was Purgatory, in the form of the flash-sideways. The island was just there for kicks, and they explained EVERYTHING through "lol exotic matter" even when it didn't make sense (even in terms of the show's internal logic).

"The journey is what mattered / it's all about the characters" is a fucking copout. EVERY STORY is about characters. Characters are essential for a story to even work. If you're going to focus on awesome character interactions, then don't waste so much time on gimmicky island bullshit that apparently doesn't mean anything in the end. You can't say "it's all about the journey" as an excuse to not glue your fucking plot together.

No, the writers *did* try to make a grand-scale narrative and just wrote themselves into a corner. Tossing out mystery after mystery was interesting and attracted viewers. We all assumed they knew what they were doing even if they had to let certain plotlines grow organically. Turns out they really had no fucking idea and dismissed most of the mechanics in the end.

It was intellectually insulting. "Hey look over here, emotional fulfillment!" is what they wound up invoking, hoping that you'd be too busy sobbing over the characters dying and reuniting to notice that "Hey, none of this shit makes much sense and they're ignoring some pretty massive elements!"


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Anyways, regarding Better Call Saul I doubt they'll go into Gus' backstory because Vince Gilligan has explicitly said that he'd rather go the Pulp Fiction route with it (i.e. his backstory is a McGuffin like the glowing briefcase in Pulp Fiction). It doesn't matter really what the backstory is -- you know it's just going to be awesome, violent, crazy, unusual, etc -- so anything goes. Same goes with Mike.

Personally, I think the spinoff is a bad idea. Some characters work well precisely because they're in the right context. Saul is effective as a side-character for comic relief and greasing the narrative joints, so to speak. But for an entire show, I don't know. It reminds of of when they decided to create the Joey spinoff from Friends because he was just-so-darn-funny, but it flopped hard. I worry this spinoff will suffer the same fate unless they do something other than "let's listen to Saul make witty one-liners for an hour."

[Reincarnate]

fuck LOST

[Arkuski]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

fuck LOST

Remember when Jack wanted to start a war with the others?
Remember when Ben had a box that held in it anything you could possibly want?
Remember the question mark in the jungle?
Remember dat brainwashing scene?

It's okay though because I actually enjoy loose ends.

[Reincarnate]

this comment from another blog sums it up well:



the writers spent six seasons slowly placing hundreds of pieces of a seemingly huge puzzle on the table, then linked five of them together and said "ta-daa! It was a bunny all along. The rest of this stuff is just random crap we made up to throw you off."

to which, of course, some people replied "a bunny! How clever! Don't you see, guys? All this time, we thought it was about the puzzle... but it was really about the bunny."

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Originally Posted by Reincarnate

sociopathy

yep.

[HalfStep]

hype?

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Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Anyways, regarding Better Call Saul I doubt they'll go into Gus' backstory because Vince Gilligan has explicitly said that he'd rather go the Pulp Fiction route with it (i.e. his backstory is a McGuffin like the glowing briefcase in Pulp Fiction). It doesn't matter really what the backstory is -- you know it's just going to be awesome, violent, crazy, unusual, etc -- so anything goes. Same goes with Mike.

Personally, I think the spinoff is a bad idea. Some characters work well precisely because they're in the right context. Saul is effective as a side-character for comic relief and greasing the narrative joints, so to speak. But for an entire show, I don't know. It reminds of of when they decided to create the Joey spinoff from Friends because he was just-so-darn-funny, but it flopped hard. I worry this spinoff will suffer the same fate unless they do something other than "let's listen to Saul make witty one-liners for an hour."

when i first heard about it, the only thought that popped up in my head was that the show would be a hard fail. BUT my friend made an interesting point when he said, "it's gonna be by the same guy, vince gilligan. so..who knows?"

Gilligan's got an amazing mind when it comes to plot twists etc. like holy shit he curves away from the predictable so fuckin hard it makes my head spin

[Reincarnate]

i'm ready

[awein999]

hype so strong

[Reincarnate]

predictions for who's going to get ricin'd?

at this point I think Lydia is the most probable, but honestly, I have no fscking idea. seems like the tea thing needs to come into play somehow. maybe.

[rayword45]

Close-up on tea = Definitely ricin'd

Of course, I'm watching an INCREDIBLY SHITTY live stream online so my judgement is nil. I gotta wait until I can torrent this and watch with some quality.

EDIT: Goddamnit you missed Todd.

REEDIT: Praise the lord.

REREEDIT: I was right

[Reincarnate]

It's over

[One Winged Angel]

was expecting a darker ending but I guess that'll do