Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

[Coolboyrulez0]

ninjaKIWI... your an idiot.
Just don't even bother speaking with him, either or troll or somebody who really doesn't know what he's talking about.

Btw almost done with the piano piece ~2300 steps but I still need to step the Jolly Roger Bay section and another little part... too bad I already submitted 2 files for the next batch since this is definitly my best file to date :P

If anybody wants to test just tell me I'll send it to ya

[Zybanthia]

When you're finished with it, I'll test it for you.

[stavie33]

Holy crap, and I thought I wasn't good with stepfile technical terms

Ninjakiwi, you take ignorant and retarded to a whole new level...

[ninjaKIWI]

Holy crap you guys are all ****ing idiots.

[samurai7694]

i'll test it CBR

[foilman8805]

Originally Posted by ninjaKIWI

Holy crap you guys are all ****ing idiots.

lmfao this post reeks of defeat.

Quit being dumb. Just because people disagree with you doesn't make them ****ing idiots. Be ****ing flexible with your opinions and ****. God damn.

P.S. Your avatar is too big peace

[stavie33]

Just listened to Hajnal, and yes, those parts should be rolls, and they really can't be holds IMO, because they aren't a buzzing sound, though they sound like one, the mesh of different high pitched "tin" notes make it sound like buzzing, but a buzz is specifically a one note sound held while vibrating, thus changing the pitch, but not the actually note (you'll get what I mean if you hold down the pedal while playing piano, it doesn't sound like the same sound going consistently, it sounds like that note is vibrating), and that's what makes a hold, but that wouldn't fit if you know what I mean, it's not the same note repeating at all though (so no kiwi, it's not a jack) but rolls fit it best.

The Verdict:

Rolls fit it best but the sound 'could' be replaced with a hold and should be fine, instead of vice versa

roll > hold instead of hold > than roll, however they are interchangeable (I could be wrong, I'd listen to gnr or some other prolific stepartist)

EDIT: Wow, this post is really incoherent, I apologize for my retardedness at explaining things

[Zybanthia]

I wonder if we're even talking about the same sounds in here. I'm not talking about any of the sounds that have different pieces to them, I'm talking about the electric sounds. There's no "tin" sound to them at all. Many of the rolls in Hajnal make sense. The electric ones don't. It's not something I was even trying to discuss because it's really not discussable. You don't step rolls to holds.

[MooMoo_Cowfreak]

Originally Posted by ninjaKIWI

Holy crap you guys are all ****ing idiots.

There's a reason I don't like you. I'm gonna go with stavie on this one. Yea they could be holds, but rolls just represent the sound better, even if it is one constant sound. I dunno, it just feels good.

Also jacks would be complete bs that's just a no.

[ninjaKIWI]

Stavie, I'm saying that with the buzzing sounds a jack would be best.
Rolls are definitely what fits everything in Hajnal, like I said before.

Oh and what's this, I make a legitimate point and you all avoid it.

EDIT: And Moomoo, there's a reason nobody likes you.

[stavie33]

Originally Posted by Zybanthia

I wonder if we're even talking about the same sounds in here. I'm not talking about any of the sounds that have different pieces to them, I'm talking about the electric sounds. There's no "tin" sound to them at all. Many of the rolls in Hajnal make sense. The electric ones don't.

Oh, I know what you're talking about! If you listen carefully (trust me, this took me a while to hear) to the electronic parts, behind the noise are the tinny things that make the rolls (I know what part you're talking about, not the end with the long roll walls, but the vvvwwwrrrooooop sounds), those should be holds, but he replaces them with rolls due to the small tin sounds in the back tempo, but they feel right as well, while at the same time a hold would be better

And you're right, I was thinking of a different part

@ninja, not a bad post, but jacks don't fit for a vibrating sound, their for the same note lifted and then repeated at a quick pace (stacatto?), not the same note held and being struck (these are more instrumental terms than step terms)

'vibrating jacks' are used not at vibrating noises, but the same note repeated at such inhuman speeds it sounds coherent with the previous one, which is sometimes hard to differentiate with, but it can be done

[stavie33]

Alright, hold and jack specific difference:

If I have a guitar, and my left hand is holding the G Major chord on the fret, and I strum the held string (and only that string) back and forth, really fast, that would be a jack

But if I hit the string once and hold the fret, and let the string vibrate, creating a differentiated form of that note for a time until it stops, that would be a hold

Get it?

[dore]

itt we learn why stepping breakcore sucks

They're not technically continuous notes, but they're so fast that it's retarded to simulate them by buzzing any amount of keys. It's the accepted way of doing it since it's always been that way but it's really not right... I wish rolls were developed earlier so that the trend of stepping 512th notes intended to be one sound get stepped as super dump-rolls.

[stavie33]

Just checked out RATO, I think those rolls should be holds, but since FFR can't do holds, rolls it is

[Zybanthia]

Originally Posted by stavie33

behind the noise are the tinny things that make the rolls (I know what part you're talking about, not the end with the long roll walls, but the vvvwwwrrrooooop sounds), those should be holds, but he replaces them with rolls due to the small tin sounds in the back tempo

Man, that's just so obscure that it's a little ridiculous, but okay. I'm sure you know what you're hearing. As long as it's not like the first 24th stream in Lunatic Princess, I'm good. If a sound is there, regardless of how quiet, you're not really in the wrong stepping it; this is aside from what I think is personally fun. I won't call stepping to every sound an incorrect file.

When it's not there, then it's pretty darn wrong to step it.

And yes, regarding RATO, that's the whole reason I brought Hajnal up in the first place. It was just supposed to be a comparison of the two.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by stavie33

If I have a guitar, and my left hand is holding the G Major chord on the fret, and I strum the held string (and only that string) back and forth, really fast, that would be a jack

But if I hit the string once and hold the fret, and let the string vibrate, creating a differentiated form of that note for a time until it stops, that would be a hold

Yes, this is a good way of explaining what I was trying to explain earlier. I get this, but apparently, ninjaKIWI doesn't.

[stavie33]

Originally Posted by Zybanthia

Man, that's just so obscure that it's a little ridiculous, but okay. I'm sure you know what you're hearing. As long as it's not like the first 24th stream in Lunatic Princess, I'm good. If a sound is there, regardless of how quiet, you're not really in the wrong stepping it; this is aside from what I think is personally fun. I won't call stepping to every sound an incorrect file.

When it's not there, then it's pretty darn wrong to step it.

And yes, regarding RATO, that's the whole reason I brought Hajnal up in the first place. It was just supposed to be a comparison of the two.

EDIT:



Yes, this is a good way of explaining what I was trying to explain earlier. I get this, but apparently, ninjaKIWI doesn't.

I agree, keep up the awesomeness Zybanthia!

[dore]

I just wish chill music like RATO wouldn't be stepped as dump files. Just because something has 9 million notes in the background doesn't mean you should make it a mash fest. At least pick a song that's intense and in your face with a bunch of notes if you want to make a really really hard file.

[TC_Halogen]

The Queue/Batch discussion thread turned into RATO Discussion thread. Yes, it's a controversial file; yes, it's ridiculously hard--everyone asked for something hard, RATO was given. I say deal with it and move on. Leave DGK alone. He's suffered enough criticism as it is.

[stavie33]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

The Queue/Batch discussion thread turned into RATO Discussion thread. Yes, it's a controversial file; yes, it's ridiculously hard--everyone asked for something hard, RATO was given. I say deal with it and move on. Leave DGK alone. He's suffered enough criticism as it is.

I never said I didn't like it, I love RATO, and IMO, it's stepped to its full difficulty potential and that's all, it's not overstepped, and certainly not under stepped, and we thank DGK for making the mash parts rolls and not random stream crap like in Eclipse Solar (which isn't a problem for Eclipse, it works for that, but wouldn't work for RATO)

And DGK, you did a better job than I could have ever done for any file, so hats off to you for making the hardest file, well, ever! (Unless we get permission for Emiru Maniaxx in which case my file will run RATO off the edge I think)

[Zybanthia]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

The Queue/Batch discussion thread turned into RATO Discussion thread.

Partly my bad, and I apologize. I mean to keep those things in the simfile discussion thread, and had merely made a simple comment about its rolls, but others turned it into a big ordeal. Still, I started it. Also, I agree with what dore said.

But on topic, I'm looking forward to the batch notes to see what I need to improve on.