FFR & The Human Potential - Page 2

Xx{Midday}xX · 10-1-2008, 11:35 PM

The idea of a physical human limitation does not apply to just FFR nor humans. Just like it is impossible for anything to exceed the speed of light, there is a scientific limit to how fast the fastest human can run etc. There will probably come a time where no records are exceeded in the Olympics anymore, because there is a human limit. etc. Energy has to be converted, moved, and used. And all of that falls under the binding law of physics. 100 0-framers in a row is impossible. (100 is an arbitrary number. The actual number may be different, but I'm sure the calculations are very difficult to proceed with.)

AOD_ELEMENT · 10-1-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinael

Well isn't there a saying in physics or something that says "If you try to walk through a wall a million times, eventually you will"?

damn dude that was good.

**Phynx** · 10-1-2008, 11:36 PM

BTW AOD, no "miracle" goes beyond the realms of physics. Just because someone does something out of pure luck that no other human has accomplished doesn't necessarily make it a "miracle" nor does it outbound the realm of physics.

sc979 · 10-1-2008, 11:37 PM

I voted no only because some people do and some people don't. (Most do though. I probably should've voted yes, but I can't change it now.)

e: ahh got quoted before the edit.

**Phynx** · 10-1-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sc979

I voted no only because some people do and some people don't.

You evaded the point... blind man you are.

**Squeek** · 10-1-2008, 11:39 PM

Why the hell did you think this is Critical Thinking?

Moved.

Also, find better ways to make a point. Nobody wants to read that wall of text.

Edit: It looks like your point is basically "all humans could do the same thing if given enough time to practice"

Wrong. It's all based on genetics.

Also you people look exactly the same. Blue names, stupid chibi avatars, etc. Thought you oughta know. I can't differentiate between any of you.

AOD_ELEMENT · 10-1-2008, 11:39 PM

yeah i understand what your saying but im saying what about the time things happen that nobody can ever explain?

**Phynx** · 10-1-2008, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AOD_ELEMENT

yeah i understand what your saying but im saying what about the time things happen that nobody can ever explain?

Explanations can AND WILL explain them... people just SAY they can't explain it because of the initial shock of doing it. Pure luck is what I'd call it.

AOD_ELEMENT · 10-1-2008, 11:43 PM

im talking not only about ffr but like a miracle something that nobody can explain accurately without having proof because things like that happen all the time just like people coming back to life after pronounced dead. they did something impossible came back to life that no other humans can do. its a fluke in humans that has no explanation

Xx{Midday}xX · 10-1-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeek

Why the hell did you think this is Critical Thinking?

Moved.

Also, find better ways to make a point. Nobody wants to read that wall of text.

Edit: It looks like your point is basically "all humans could do the same thing if given enough time to practice"

Wrong. It's all based on genetics.

Also you people look exactly the same. Blue names, stupid chibi avatars, etc. Thought you oughta know. I can't differentiate between any of you.

Thank you very much. This is as direct as you can get with the OP. And I find those avatars ridiculous as well.

Time does not solve everything. If you try to circumvent this reality by saying, "You can change your genetics... etc," then we have to define what you mean by the term "you" as reference to one certain person.

Oh wait, this is chit chat now. <_> boring.

MilkChan · 10-1-2008, 11:50 PM

Combo scoring is ridiculous and should be removed. Someone could get a score of 500-1-0-1-0 but if that CB was at like 250 combo your score will end up keeping you in the high hundreds rank instead of top 200 or lower, as an example.

also there's no limit all it takes to be good now is to vibrate rofl

Xx{Midday}xX · 10-1-2008, 11:53 PM

As for the complaint on the combo system: that is the definition of FFR. FFR should stay FFR and retain its major concepts and differences from other similar games. People who don't like the combo system don't like FFR. That is all.

MilkChan · 10-1-2008, 11:58 PM

because not liking one thing means not liking all of it. right.

Xx{Midday}xX · 10-1-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MilkChan

because not liking one thing means not liking all of it. right.

One of FFR's major concepts. I didn't see the need to state the obvious. I mean the only reason people who don't like the combo system are here, is because that dislike is minor as compared to the rest of FFR's concepts.

Izzy · 10-2-2008, 01:31 AM

Everyone is different. The songs can get infinitely harder and not everyone can get infinitely better. Some people are going to be able to get better then others no matter what. Same as any other sport.

who_cares973 · 10-2-2008, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinael

Well isn't there a saying in physics or something that says "If you try to walk through a wall a million times, eventually you will"?

string theory ftw

but yea everyone has their physical limits

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Originally Posted by Squeek

stupid chibi avatars, etc.

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Originally Posted by Xx{Midday}xX

And I find those avatars ridiculous as well.

that hurts ;__;

**Patashu** · 10-2-2008, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by who_cares973

string theory ftw

ah no
quantum mechanics describes, surprise surprise quantum level effects, your body is not an isolated system (aka it partakes in interactions) and therefore no quantum effects for you
and string theory has even less to do with it

also there is a hard skill cap related to the amount of matter and useful work available in the visible universe and how it can be best arranged into the perfect stepmania player and respective keyboard/computer

none of you will ever hit this but it's there (and rapidly decreasing as the universe expands)

**Kynosaur** · 10-2-2008, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinael

"If you try to walk through a wall a million times, eventually you will"

K, have fun with that.

My opinion on this topic is the human physical skill cap is constantly being lowered, no matter how slow, by pollution, foresting etc lowering the amount of oxygen in the air which prevents the respiratory system from working as well as it would be able to. eg Midday's reference to the Olympic Games. Less oxygen = less efficient respiratory system = poorer performance.

**Squeek** · 10-2-2008, 05:41 AM

Which is why nobody in the Olympics broke any records this year, right?

Do you seriously believe what you're writing?

Anyway, Olympic records will continue to be broken. Prodigies who are in the right place at the right time will always show up. We learn more and more about the human body every day, and training procedures get better and better as a result. We know what muscles to exercise for exactly how many minutes a day to achieve optimum performance. But science doesn't stop, and this knowledge will soon become a thing of the past. Bolt proved this year that records people thought nobody could beat can be easily broken. And oh he did it in a poor air quality environment with a little bit of a headwind.

I can't even begin to imagine that people think humans are less productive because of this notion of slightly less oxygen to breathe. Species learn to adapt to changes in climate. We have, and we can continue to adapt to these slight variations over time.

**Kynosaur** · 10-2-2008, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeek

Do you seriously believe what you're writing?

No, I just decided it would be fun to try and throw you off the scent.

>.>

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10-1-2008, 11:35 PM	#21
Xx{Midday}xX FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: My own world. Miserable. Disgusting. Appalling. Pessimistic. Horrific. Terrible. Posts: 3,518	Re: FFR & The Human Potential The idea of a physical human limitation does not apply to just FFR nor humans. Just like it is impossible for anything to exceed the speed of light, there is a scientific limit to how fast the fastest human can run etc. There will probably come a time where no records are exceeded in the Olympics anymore, because there is a human limit. etc. Energy has to be converted, moved, and used. And all of that falls under the binding law of physics. 100 0-framers in a row is impossible. (100 is an arbitrary number. The actual number may be different, but I'm sure the calculations are very difficult to proceed with.) __________________ Any *FFR song title* discrepancies? List them here. Willing to accurately translate Japanese for free *Accumulating all playstyles here!* つまんないシグでスマソ(´・ω・`) Last edited by Xx{Midday}xX; 10-1-2008 at 11:38 PM..

10-1-2008, 11:36 PM	#23
Phynx I'm Forever Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Twin Falls, Idaho Age: 34 Posts: 2,999	Re: FFR & The Human Potential BTW AOD, no "miracle" goes beyond the realms of physics. Just because someone does something out of pure luck that no other human has accomplished doesn't necessarily make it a "miracle" nor does it outbound the realm of physics. __________________ Guardin' of the Scared Shrine

10-1-2008, 11:37 PM	#24
sc979 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,644	Re: FFR & The Human Potential I voted no only because some people do and some people don't. (Most do though. I probably should've voted yes, but I can't change it now.) e: ahh got quoted before the edit. __________________ ... Last edited by sc979; 10-1-2008 at 11:41 PM..

10-1-2008, 11:39 PM	#26
Squeek let it snow~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 14,444	Re: FFR & The Human Potential Why the hell did you think this is Critical Thinking? Moved. Also, find better ways to make a point. Nobody wants to read that wall of text. Edit: It looks like your point is basically "all humans could do the same thing if given enough time to practice" Wrong. It's all based on genetics. Also you people look exactly the same. Blue names, stupid chibi avatars, etc. Thought you oughta know. I can't differentiate between any of you. Last edited by Squeek; 10-1-2008 at 11:42 PM..

10-1-2008, 11:39 PM	#27
AOD_ELEMENT FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Africa Age: 31 Posts: 1,672	Re: FFR & The Human Potential yeah i understand what your saying but im saying what about the time things happen that nobody can ever explain?

10-1-2008, 11:43 PM	#29
AOD_ELEMENT FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Africa Age: 31 Posts: 1,672	Re: FFR & The Human Potential im talking not only about ffr but like a miracle something that nobody can explain accurately without having proof because things like that happen all the time just like people coming back to life after pronounced dead. they did something impossible came back to life that no other humans can do. its a fluke in humans that has no explanation

10-1-2008, 11:50 PM	#31
MilkChan Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 32 Posts: 432	Re: FFR & The Human Potential Combo scoring is ridiculous and should be removed. Someone could get a score of 500-1-0-1-0 but if that CB was at like 250 combo your score will end up keeping you in the high hundreds rank instead of top 200 or lower, as an example. also there's no limit all it takes to be good now is to vibrate rofl

10-1-2008, 11:53 PM	#32
Xx{Midday}xX FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: My own world. Miserable. Disgusting. Appalling. Pessimistic. Horrific. Terrible. Posts: 3,518	Re: FFR & The Human Potential As for the complaint on the combo system: that is the definition of FFR. FFR should stay FFR and retain its major concepts and differences from other similar games. People who don't like the combo system don't like FFR. That is all. __________________ Any *FFR song title* discrepancies? List them here. Willing to accurately translate Japanese for free *Accumulating all playstyles here!* つまんないシグでスマソ(´・ω・`)

10-1-2008, 11:58 PM	#33
MilkChan Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 32 Posts: 432	Re: FFR & The Human Potential because not liking one thing means not liking all of it. right.

10-2-2008, 01:31 AM	#35
Izzy Snek Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas Age: 34 Posts: 9,192	Re: FFR & The Human Potential Everyone is different. The songs can get infinitely harder and not everyone can get infinitely better. Some people are going to be able to get better then others no matter what. Same as any other sport.

10-2-2008, 05:41 AM	#39
Squeek let it snow~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 14,444	Re: FFR & The Human Potential Which is why nobody in the Olympics broke any records this year, right? Do you seriously believe what you're writing? Anyway, Olympic records will continue to be broken. Prodigies who are in the right place at the right time will always show up. We learn more and more about the human body every day, and training procedures get better and better as a result. We know what muscles to exercise for exactly how many minutes a day to achieve optimum performance. But science doesn't stop, and this knowledge will soon become a thing of the past. Bolt proved this year that records people thought nobody could beat can be easily broken. And oh he did it in a poor air quality environment with a little bit of a headwind. I can't even begin to imagine that people think humans are less productive because of this notion of slightly less oxygen to breathe. Species learn to adapt to changes in climate. We have, and we can continue to adapt to these slight variations over time. Last edited by Squeek; 10-2-2008 at 05:45 AM..

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