Third Presidential Debate 2008

[NFD]

This about sums it up.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...photos/247179/

McCain was spending more time attacking Obama, and less time talking about his plans. He also kept stuttering, and twitching whenever he wasn't talking. Obama remained tranquil the entire debate.

[sumzup]

Also: Joe the Plumber!

[legato210]

The only way McCain was going to win this last debate was if he could throw Obama off his pristine defense, which didn't happen in any of the debates.

I know McCain knows he can't keep up with the debate because he's fighting a losing battle for his party. Republicans today are sticking to policies that don't work anymore - plain and simple. Democrats today are seeking a new and improved changed that will help Everyone as a whole.

Obama is absolutely right when he says we can't afford 8 more years of risking a handful of people making all the money. In theory, it might make sense, but people today are far too greedy and selfish with their money that they don't want even a little bit of "their" money to trickle down to those less fortunate.

I think it's disgusting. This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not the Independent business owners of america.

[Zageron]

I laughed so hard when that judge dude asking the questions said something about USA spending the most in the world on education, yet the average intellect after school (quitting or graduating) was some of the worst.

[OrganisM]

This thread will soon degenerate into hell. Brace for impact, here we go...

[iceefudgesickle]

Great depiction in that picture there, I love it.

I thought they both did pretty well in the debate.

[clarinet89]

Why was McCain so angry? Dude, calm down. That kinda speaks about his character and how he could act in the white house. Not a good sign.

[u84]

Wow. You all fail. When Obama wins and this country goes to ****, I would normally tell you all "I told you so," but the internetz will probably be killed by a suicide bomber. Oh, and in before lock. XD

[Adamaja456]

joe isnt a plumber
his actual name is Samuel

/fail

[AOD_ELEMENT]

Obama destroyed McCain in that debate, holy **** it was unreal. I just finished watching it like a few hours ago. I at first wanted McCain to win this election, but because of they way he always attacks obama and doesnt even tell everyone his goals. the fact that Obama is well kept up with his facts completely made me change my mind Obama is definately fit to be our leader.

[clarinet89]

too bad you can't vote though. this election is gonna be epic.

[Sh4d0wD3v1L]

I never wanted McCain to win, I didn't like him from the primaries. I agree with AOD in the sense that all McCain ever does is "LOOK AT ME, I'M A VET, BLAH BLAH SOMETHING BAD ABOUT OBAMA" and never really says anything about his policies. Obama has stated his policies and ideas pretty clearly, and from what I've seen in debates takes a mroe defensive than aggressive stance.

Additionally, if McCain makes it to office *shudder*, Palin will end up President. Which scares me more than McCain in office.

[Afrombean]

Originally Posted by legato210

The only way McCain was going to win this last debate was if he could throw Obama off his pristine defense, which didn't happen in any of the debates.

Just because McCain is incompetent at laying a good offensive, doesn't mean that Obama's defense is "pristine". Obama is an easy target and McCain is failing regardless; that speaks more about McCain's inadequacies than it does about Obama's successes.

I know McCain knows he can't keep up with the debate because he's fighting a losing battle for his party. Republicans today are sticking to policies that don't work anymore - plain and simple. Democrats today are seeking a new and improved changed that will help Everyone as a whole.

That's funny, because it's actually leftist policies that caused the economic troubles we're in, and in addition, despite what the electorate may think, the president is not directly responsible for the economy (hi free market) nor can a new president instantly fix the issue (uh... I guess they could... uh... suspend the free market system...? Good idea!).

But you're right. Simply being titled "Republican" is enough to make it an uphill battle for him, regardless of what policies he may be in favor of or opposed to. But when the Republican fails to put himself up as the one who will lower taxes, it's not as clear cut as "he's fighting a losing battle for his party". You put a good Republican in McCain's place, and they'd be able to manage a close fight, at the very least.

Obama is absolutely right when he says we can't afford 8 more years of risking a handful of people making all the money.

In as few words as that, this is a fundamental principle of capitalism. If you're opposed to this, I don't see how you could be in favor of capitalism.

In theory, it might make sense, but people today are far too greedy and selfish with their money that they don't want even a little bit of "their" money to trickle down to those less fortunate.

Which is a legitimate argument against that theory, but not capitalism in its entirety.

I think it's disgusting. This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not the Independent business owners of america.

You know what I think is disgusting? This is the United States of America, however, it is not the United Socialist Republic of America.

But I guess fighting is useless at this point. Even the Republicans in Washington are in favor of socialist tactics. They may be against universal health care (which is, I'd say, one of the most favorable of all socialistic policies), but they're not opposed to nationalizing other systems.

[MrRubix]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz-d6...eature=related


This is worth watching. Trust me.

[Necros140606]

what i truly don't understand about american politics is how poeple still rely on what the candidates say, especially about republicans. the republicans keep asking people to follow an indefensible logic of stillness, perpetual war and blind acceptance of the good 'ol values. i couldn't even call those people nostalgic of the past since their ideas are so horrible that i sincerely hope they are beaten by obama. politics aren't some sort of entertainment or a talk show, although my impression is most people think so.

[Zageron]

Originally Posted by MrRubix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz-d6...eature=related


This is worth watching. Trust me.

Ouch. That's the government for you.

[xinpig]

Not to be a hater here but I think obama's plan to take money from people that make 250K and up and give it to people on welfare some of which who dont even care about getting jobs isnt fair to the rest of us because there are some people who work their asses off and they dont get anything and then you have the people who just come here and mooch off our government.

[welsh_girl]

I heard that Joe the plumber isn't really a plumber =[

Curious, how old must you be to vote in America ?

[legato210]

Originally Posted by Afrombean

Just because McCain is incompetent at laying a good offensive, doesn't mean that Obama's defense is "pristine". Obama is an easy target and McCain is failing regardless; that speaks more about McCain's inadequacies than it does about Obama's successes.

I think I should have said, Obama's defense is pretty much impenetrable by McCains low-grade attacks because most of them could just as easily be turned around on himself ten times over. - especially when he mentioned during the debate... there were some "refutable" comments at Obama's rallies .... uhmmm... there weren't people at Obama's rallies yelling "terrorist" or "kill him".. you wanna talk about "refutable"? O_o

That's funny, because it's actually leftist policies that caused the economic troubles we're in, and in addition, despite what the electorate may think, the president is not directly responsible for the economy (hi free market) nor can a new president instantly fix the issue (uh... I guess they could... uh... suspend the free market system...? Good idea!).

Oh, I know for a fact our downfall was the actions of the free market. But for our government to give those big businesses absolutely no oversight? That's basically ridiculous.

Simply being titled "Republican" is enough to make it an uphill battle for him, regardless of what policies he may be in favor of or opposed to. But when the Republican fails to put himself up as the one who will lower taxes, it's not as clear cut as "he's fighting a losing battle for his party". You put a good Republican in McCain's place, and they'd be able to manage a close fight, at the very least.

Ron Paul?

In as few words as that, this is a fundamental principle of capitalism. If you're opposed to this, I don't see how you could be in favor of capitalism.

I think I've only said this because of the fact that people who make all that money, generally don't like giving it away, as if they plan on spending it all on something much more important... it really comes down to the way I think about life in general. In my on right, I would and would urge everyone around me to give that incentive to people to do better and make something of themselves just as I did. And if giving them a chance with the extra money I make would help them with that, I would absolutely share my wealth. It just seems we live in a time where people don't see it like that. I think we need a generation that grows up around a new mindset and positive batch of ideas.

You know what I think is disgusting? This is the United States of America, however, it is not the United Socialist Republic of America.

I think at this point, people are starting to realize capitalism might not be the answer (maybe not using those exact words) - because, in its essence, a group of people running the country really is not in the best interests of the rest of our society. We need to grow as one at this point, not in compliance to a group of buddies that would suit their goals.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by legato210

I think I should have said, Obama's defense is pretty much impenetrable by McCains low-grade attacks because most of them could just as easily be turned around on himself ten times over. - especially when he mentioned during the debate... there were some "refutable" comments at Obama's rallies .... uhmmm... there weren't people at Obama's rallies yelling "terrorist" or "kill him".. you wanna talk about "refutable"? O_o

I don't think you know what "refutable" means.

And yes, nothing at Obama's rallies are as low as what was happening at McCain's, but to make it sound like there's nothing would be incredibly naive.

Oh, I know for a fact our downfall was the actions of the free market. But for our government to give those big businesses absolutely no oversight? That's basically ridiculous.

No... it was because they not only allowed, but encouraged banks to loan to people who didn't have the credit record, who couldn't afford it. This made the banks get taken down, and everything else is going down as the credit market is getting eaten alive. Lack of oversight, yes, but that's not the source, that's not what caused the problem; that is only what allowed the problem to cut as deeply as it has, even after the subprime lending ordeal was making headlines a year ago.

Ron Paul?

Ron Paul isn't electable in the Republican's eyes, and he wouldn't fair too well in a general election either. Hopeful libertarians were his only shot of support, but now that he's on a 3rd party ticket rather than the Republican one, libertarians would sooner vote for Barr, I think, who, if I recall, has as high as 10% poll support in at least one state, and over 4% I believe most everywhere else.

I think I've only said this because of the fact that people who make all that money, generally don't like giving it away, as if they plan on spending it all on something much more important... it really comes down to the way I think about life in general. In my on right, I would and would urge everyone around me to give that incentive to people to do better and make something of themselves just as I did. And if giving them a chance with the extra money I make would help them with that, I would absolutely share my wealth. It just seems we live in a time where people don't see it like that. I think we need a generation that grows up around a new mindset and positive batch of ideas.

It's nothing about times or generations. People are greedy; this is a fact across history. This greed drives capitalism. The point of it is to drive people to work hard so that they can be better (that is, have more wealth) than others.

You take away the greed with Robin Hood tactics and you guarantee that the people at the bottom will become dependent. We already have people at the bottom on welfare who are complacent. Is giving money to the jobless at the bottom going to motivate them to work? No. Is giving them "free" health care? No. You can't say "oh let's just give them some money and that will make them change their ways and become a good contributor to society". No. It doesn't work like that.

I think at this point, people are starting to realize capitalism might not be the answer (maybe not using those exact words) - because, in its essence, a group of people running the country really is not in the best interests of the rest of our society. We need to grow as one at this point, not in compliance to a group of buddies that would suit their goals.

Socialism and communism are at odds with human nature. And you take away the reward for hard work, you can be sure people will become even more lazy.

And I think you don't really understand the system. "Capitalism" does not mean that those with money own the country. They can fondle the market all they want, but the government should be untouched (don't get me started on lobbyists, that's a whole other ordeal).