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Arkuski 09-30-2013 09:37 PM
FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
The time has come for the official draft process. Please try not to post other than to make your draft selection. We are using standard OU rules, so only Ubers are not allowed, and they are listed here:

Uber

Pokémon that are seen as too powerful for standard play. This could be due to massive stat total, insane movepool, or the power to over-centralize the meta-game if they were to remain in OU (often, all 3 of these reasons apply).

Arceus (All Forms)
Blaziken (Speed Boost)
Darkrai
Deoxys
Deoxys-A
Deoxys-D
Deoxys-S
Dialga
Excadrill
Garchomp
Genesect
Giratina (Both Forms)
Groudon
Ho-oh
Kyogre
Kyurem-W
Lugia
Manaphy
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Reshiram
Shaymin-S
Thundurus
Tornadus-T
Wobbuffet
Zekrom


Also here are the remaining pokemon divided by tier. NFE pokemon are not listed, but you are more than welcome to select them as well. It must also be stated that once a pokemon is selected, you must select a single form of that pokemon (if it comes in multiple forms) to use on your team. For instance, should one select Landorus, he must specify which form will be used.

Overused (OU)

The standard Pokémon competitive metagame in which Pokémon that are most often seen reside. They are generally recognized for this, their wide move pools and their high potential. Pokémon enter the OU tier if they achieve a usage % of at least 3.41% on Smogon's Pokémon Showdown Server. There are 51 total OU Pokémon.

Alakazam
Blissey
Breloom
Celebi
Cloyster
Conkeldurr
Donphan
Dragonite
Dugtrio
Espeon
Ferrothorn
Forretress
Garchomp
Gastrodon
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Haxorus
Heatran
Hippowdon
Hydreigon
Infernape
Jellicent
Jirachi
Jolteon
Keldeo
Kyurem-B
Landorus
Landorus-T
Latias
Latios
Lucario
Magnezone
Mamoswine
Metagross
Ninetales
Politoed
Reuniclus
Rotom-W
Salamence
Scizor
Skarmory
Starmie
Tentacruel
Terrakion
Thundurus-T
Toxicroak
Tyranitar
Vaporeon
Venusaur
Volcarona


Borderline (BL)

Pokémon that are recognized as being too powerful for UU play. Yet, these Pokémon are a tad bit underwhelming when it comes to OU play. In some cases its just due to lack of field play. As of now, there are 4 Pokémon in this tier. Since they are deemed as overpowered in UU, they can only be used in OU play. Certain Abilities are banned from the Underused tier and lower tiers as well for their overwhelming presence, such as Drought and Sand Stream.

Chansey
Gothitelle
Kyurem
Staraptor


Underused (UU)

Pokémon that are not commonplace in a competitive environment due to more hindering flaws, or just plainly outclassed. They are generally lacking in potential, though several are still quite playable in OU. There are 59 Pokemon that makeup the UU tier.

Abomasnow
Ambipom
Arcanine
Azelf
Azumarill
Bisharp
Blastoise
Bronzong
Chandelure
Claydol
Cobalion
Cofagrigus
Crobat
Darmanitan
Dusclops
Empoleon
Flygon
Froslass
Gligar
Heracross
Hitmontop
Honchkrow
Houndoom
Kingdra
Krookodile
Machamp
Meloetta
Mew
Mienshao
Milotic
Mismagius
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Porygon-Z
Porygon2
Raikou
Registeel
Rhyperior
Roserade
Rotom-H (Heat Form)
Sableye
Scrafty
Shaymin
Sharpedo
Slowbro
Snorlax
Suicune
Swampert
Togekiss
Tornadus
Umbreon
Victini
Virizion
Weavile
Xatu
Yanmega
Zapdos
Zoroark


Borderline 2 (BL2)

These Pokémon are recognized for being too powerful to handle in the RU tier, but aren't used enough to make the UU Tier list. This is usually due to something in UU doing their job better. Currently, there are 2 Pokémon in this tier.

Cresselia
Venomoth


Rarelyused (RU)

Pokémon that have nearly crippling flaws and are typically easily outclassed by other Pokémon in OU and UU. Most of these Pokémon have specific niches in the higher tiers, but find a place to shine with the more powerful threats locked away in higher tiers. This tier was formed in Generation V to keep the NU tier from having nearly 300 Pokémon in it. There are currently 58 Pokémon in the RU tier.

Absol
Accelgor
Aerodactyl
Aggron
Amoonguss
Archeops
Bouffalant
Cinccino
Clefable
Crawdaunt
Crustle
Cryogonal
Drapion
Druddigon
Durant
Dusknoir
Electivire
Emboar
Entei
Escavalier
Feraligatr
Ferroseed
Gallade
Galvantula
Hariyama
Hitmonchan
Hitmonlee
Kabutops
Klinklang
Lanturn
Lilligant
Mandibuzz
Magmortar
Magneton
Manectric
Medicham
Mesprit
Moltres
Omastar
Poliwrath
Quagsire
Qwilfish
Rhydon
Rotom-N (Standard form)
Rotom-C (Lawn Mower form)
Sandslash
Sceptile
Scyther
Sigilyph
Slowking
Smeargle
Snover
Spiritomb
Steelix
Tangrowth
Typhlosion
Uxie
Whimsicott


Never Used (NU)

Pokémon that are generally not seen at all due to being highly limited and unpopular. Their stats and movepools may be, and usually are, very lacking compared to the higher tiers. Most of these Pokémon don't even have a specific niche in the higher tiers. With the advent of the Eviolite item in Generation 5, there are many more NFE Pokémon that are viable in NU than there were in Generation IV. There are a whopping 206 Pokémon in the NU tier as of this writing.

Alomomola
Altaria
Ampharos
Arbok
Ariados
Armaldo
Articuno
Banette
Basculin (both forms)
Bastiodon
Beartic
Beautifly
Beedrill
Beheeyem
Bellossom
Bibarel
Braviary
Butterfree
Cacturne
Camerupt
Carnivine
Carracosta
Castform
Charizard
Chatot
Cherrim
Chimecho
Combusken
Corsola
Cradily
Delcatty
Delibird
Dewgong
Ditto
Dodrio
Dragonair
Drifblim
Dunsparce
Duosion
Dustox
Eelektross
Electabuzz
Electrode
Emolga
Exeggutor
Exploud
Farfetch'd
Fearow
Flareon
Floatzel
Fraxure
Furret
Gabite
Garbodor
Gardevoir
Gigalith
Girafarig
Glaceon
Glalie
Golbat
Golduck
Golem
Golurk
Gorebyss
Granbull
Grumpig
Gurdurr
Haunter
Heatmor
Huntail
Hypno
Illumise
Jumpluff
Jynx
Kadabra
Kangaskhan
Kecleon
Kingler
Klang
Kricketune
Lairon
Lampent
Lapras
Leafeon
Leavanny
Ledian
Lickilicky
Liepard
Linoone
Lopunny
Ludicolo
Lumineon
Lunatone
Luvdisc
Luxray
Machoke
Magcargo
Mantine
Maractus
Marowak
Masquerain
Mawile
Meganium
Metang
Mightyena
Miltank
Minun
Misdreavus
Mothim
Mr. Mime
Muk
Munchlax
Murkrow
Musharna
Natu
Noctowl
Octillery
Pachirisu
Parasect
Pelipper
Persian
Phione
Pidgeot
Piloswine
Pinsir
Plusle
Primeape
Probopass
Purugly
Raichu
Rampardos
Rapidash
Raticate
Regice
Regigigas
Regirock
Relicanth
Roselia
Rotom-F (Freezer form)
Rotom-S (Fan form)
Samurott
Sawk
Sawsbuck
Scolipede
Seaking
Seismitoad
Serperior
Seviper
Shedinja
Shelgon
Shiftry
Shuckle
Simipour
Simisage
Simisear
Skuntank
Slaking
Sneasel
Solrock
Spinda
Stantler
Stoutland
Stunfisk
Sudowoodo
Sunflora
Swalot
Swanna
Swellow
Swoobat
Tangela
Tauros
Throh
Togetic
Torkoal
Torterra
Tropius
Unfezant
Unown
Ursaring
Vanilluxe
Vespiquen
Victreebel
Vigoroth
Vileplume
Volbeat
Wailord
Walrein
Wartortle
Watchog
Weezing
Whiscash
Wigglytuff
Wormadam (All Forms)
Zangoose
Zebstrika
Zweilous


Finally, here is the randomized draft order:


TC_Pro
Tim Allen
Dark_Chrysalis
thesunfan
eastsideman09
XelNya
YoshL


Also, here are the updated teams:

Ninetails, Venusaur, Exeggutor, Darmatian, Xatu, Victini

Gardevoir, Lopunny, Milotic, Virizion, Glaceon, Miltank

Terrakion, Volcarona, Ferrothorn, Tyraitaur, Reuniclus, Latias

Starmie, Forretress, Jellicent, Heatran, Haxorus, Blissey

Politoed, Dragonite, Jirachi, Scizor, Skarmory, Swampert

Lilligant, Cloyster, Frosslass, Emolga, Metagross, Umbreon

Chansey, Zoroark, Espeon, Hydreigon, Ninjask


As a reminder, you have 24 hours from the previous pick to make a selection. Should you miss your pick, it will be moved to the end of the draft. Should you miss three picks, you will be eliminated from the tournament.

CURRENT PICK
SEND IN YOUR TEAMS PLS I PM'D YOU

bmah 09-30-2013 11:39 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Approved.

Remember: draft picks begin at 12:00 PM EST on October 1, 2013.

igotrhythm 10-1-2013 12:30 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
aw shit here it goes

hi19hi19 10-1-2013 12:37 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Garchomp is both banned as Uber and in OU

seems legit

TC_Pr0 10-1-2013 12:40 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Salamence

eastsideman09 10-1-2013 12:41 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Wait, why is Garchomp banned? He's OU on smogon... Same for Wobbuffet (although he's much lamer).

igotrhythm 10-1-2013 12:42 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Because Chompy was banned at one point, and not too long ago there was a brouhaha over Sand Veil hax.

eastsideman09 10-1-2013 12:47 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Sand Veil is banned to Ubers on showdown because of the evasion clause. Also, Salamance was Uber at one point too, wasn't he?
I mean, I wasn't planning on picking Garchomp, but still... I mean, any ice beam wrecks him.

igotrhythm 10-1-2013 01:06 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Salamence was uber in DPP, but with the power creep in BW, he became balanced again.

But just because the elitist asshats at Smogon have these clauses doesn't mean we have to follow them unless Arkuski says otherwise.

eastsideman09 10-1-2013 01:10 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Well, we're using Showdown, and they've got those clauses implemented into the OU game. I just assume evasion/sleep/other clauses will be in effect.

TC_Pr0 10-1-2013 01:20 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Anyone wanna practice battle? My ID is anniepoo

YoshL 10-1-2013 03:49 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
fuck i'm last lmfao


also
TC_Pr0 PICKED SALAMENCE

Wolfhunter's pick next


also, at this rate, literally this draft pick is going to take like 2 and a half months.

Something theoretical to work?: everyone sends in a team of 6. Arkuski will go through and announce only the pokemon that were valid up to the first duplicate. Eveyone sends in however many they need to resend.

e.g.

eastside - bulbasaur, ivysaur, venusaur, blastoise, wartortle, squirtle
tc_pr0 - charmander, charmeleon, zapdos, ivysaur, moltres, suicune
igotrhythm - igglybuff, jigglypuff, wigglytuff, ditto, smeargle, arceus

everyone's first 3 pokemon would go through. igotrhythm's ditto would go through (if picking order is 1-2-3-3-2-1) and tc_pr0 would have the duplicate ivysaur.

then eastside &, tc_pr0 need to send in 3 more, igot sends in 2

Arkuski 10-1-2013 04:10 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Not at a computer but I'll update soon

Quote:
Originally Posted by YoshL (Post 3985960)
fuck i'm last lmfao


also
TC_Pr0 PICKED SALAMENCE

Wolfhunter's pick next


also, at this rate, literally this draft pick is going to take like 2 and a half months.

Something theoretical to work?: everyone sends in a team of 6. Arkuski will go through and announce only the pokemon that were valid up to the first duplicate. Eveyone sends in however many they need to resend.

e.g.

eastside - bulbasaur, ivysaur, venusaur, blastoise, wartortle, squirtle
tc_pr0 - charmander, charmeleon, zapdos, ivysaur, moltres, suicune
igotrhythm - igglybuff, jigglypuff, wigglytuff, ditto, smeargle, arceus

everyone's first 3 pokemon would go through. igotrhythm's ditto would go through (if picking order is 1-2-3-3-2-1) and tc_pr0 would have the duplicate ivysaur.

then eastside &, tc_pr0 need to send in 3 more, igot sends in 2
The problem with this is forming a cohesive team. For instance, the picks may work out such that you have six sweepers and no walls, or even six pokemon that are weak to ice. I had thought about that, but a long draft won't hurt anybody, it'll just build up hype.

igotrhythm 10-1-2013 04:29 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by YoshL (Post 3985960)
fuck i'm last lmfao


also
TC_Pr0 PICKED SALAMENCE

Wolfhunter's pick next


also, at this rate, literally this draft pick is going to take like 2 and a half months.

Something theoretical to work?: everyone sends in a team of 6. Arkuski will go through and announce only the pokemon that were valid up to the first duplicate. Eveyone sends in however many they need to resend.

e.g.

eastside - bulbasaur, ivysaur, venusaur, blastoise, wartortle, squirtle
tc_pr0 - charmander, charmeleon, zapdos, ivysaur, moltres, suicune
igotrhythm - igglybuff, jigglypuff, wigglytuff, ditto, smeargle, arceus

everyone's first 3 pokemon would go through. igotrhythm's ditto would go through (if picking order is 1-2-3-3-2-1) and tc_pr0 would have the duplicate ivysaur.

then eastside &, tc_pr0 need to send in 3 more, igot sends in 2
I know a guy who scared the fuck out of people with a particular Wigglytuff build. Be careful what you wish for. :twisted:

YoshL 10-1-2013 04:33 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
i disagree. I don't want to wait 2 fucking months to play. also
Quote:
The problem with this is forming a cohesive team. For instance, the picks may work out such that you have six sweepers and no walls, or even six pokemon that are weak to ice. I had thought about that, but a long draft won't hurt anybody, it'll just build up hype.
wrong? please read my explanation more closely.

also, i know the jiggly team, with the magic guard weather, i'm very familiar lol

YoshL 10-1-2013 04:34 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
basically, in the example I gave, upon hitting the first duplicate, everyone is required to re-send in picks, but are notified of the current picks that went through. I see literally no problem in team building, because if you hit a pokemon that isn't available, then oops, re-send time

Arkuski 10-1-2013 04:50 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by YoshL (Post 3985984)
basically, in the example I gave, upon hitting the first duplicate, everyone is required to re-send in picks, but are notified of the current picks that went through. I see literally no problem in team building, because if you hit a pokemon that isn't available, then oops, re-send time
Sorry I thought you were saying something different. I think this is a neat idea; I'll work out the logistics and see what we can do.

Tim Allen 10-1-2013 05:12 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
i forgot about this

YoshL 10-1-2013 05:26 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
basically, i don't think 2 months of waiting is very hype

Charu 10-1-2013 05:52 PM
Re: FFR Pokemon Draft Tournament DRAFT
 
Wait-wait-wait-wait, I didn't sign up for this???????


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