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Re: Rap is technically music

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Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4706522)

I want to see a US map where its like
"We asked 1,000 white people in every state whether or not rap is music and here's the % responses
blue = yes
red = no"

there are a lot of musical preference heatmaps but I can't find any for arbitrary definitions of art

Re: Rap is technically music

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Originally Posted by Not devonin (Post 4706513)

To anybody trying to make their statement that rap isn't music seem less offensive by saying "because it's poetry instead" do you actually LIKE poetry? Because if you don't like poetry at least as much as you like music, you're still relegating rap to a status of "lesser" which is some pretty dangerous ground to be treading.

I'm sorry my opinion offends you

Re: Rap is technically music

I mean as long as it has an intentional beat it pretty much qualifies as music.

Like how a single paint stroke on a canvas is art.

Even if it's cheap and honestly, lazy imho. Still art though.

Re: Rap is technically music

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Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4706522)

I want to see a US map where its like
"We asked 1,000 white people in every state whether or not rap is music and here's the % responses
blue = yes
red = no"

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Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4706526)

there are a lot of musical preference heatmaps but I can't find any for arbitrary definitions of art

This poll -was- done, as part of the "Cards Against Humanity Saves America" project, they used a professional polling service to conduct a series of polls with a wide cross-section of respondents on a wide range of subjects. They did a whole section on Rap as music.

People who don’t think rap is music are more likely to be older, rural, uneducated, conservative, approve of Trump, oppose welfare, and think black people benefit from welfare more than white people.

Re: Rap is technically music

yup
that's what I was expecting to see
that's really cool that that was done

Re: Rap is technically music

Mac Dre had the best beats/lyrics imo

Re: Rap is technically music

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Originally Posted by Not devonin (Post 4706530)

People who don’t think rap is music are more likely to be older, rural, uneducated, conservative, approve of Trump, oppose welfare, and think black people benefit from welfare more than white people.

Well, this went from quirk in viewpoint to political real fast.

Re: Rap is technically music

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Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4706537)

Well, this went from quirk in viewpoint to political real fast.

I was quoting the results of a formal scientific poll so...?

Re: Rap is technically music

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Originally Posted by Not devonin (Post 4706538)

I was quoting the results of a formal scientific poll so...?

Hey we sure you weren't already leaning into politics back on like page 1 though?

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Originally Posted by Not devonin (Post 4706430)

People who think rap isn't music are just being arbitrarily normative and probably prejudiced.

I mean not that I needed a magic 8 ball to tell you this was how it was going to end. I have legit never seen this debate go any other way.

Re: Rap is technically music

im black

edit: here to give my formal endorsement of ffa as a cool dude

Re: Rap is technically music

music
/ˈmjuːzɪk/
noun
1.
vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.

Rap fills all of these criteria, so yes it's music.

Re: Rap is technically music

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Originally Posted by M0nkeyz (Post 4706547)

yeah, technically

Re: Rap is technically music

good job making a thread so fucking stupid it made me make an alt account just so I could post

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Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4706416)

while it fits the technical definition of music I don't really consider it music there's probably not enough pitch for me to call it music

the fact that you use "pitch" as a means to disregard rap is extra hilarious given that you start off by saying "technical definition of music" when it's paaaaaainfully clear that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. like devonin (???) already posted, the idea that rap isn't music is pretty exclusively held by boomers or racists. I would also go further and say that most people who consider rap to not be music probably have an incredibly skewed and incredibly narrow expectation of what music is. I doubt your average boomer knows who elaine radigue is, or stockhausen.

so I'm hoping here that you're just an ignorant idiot open to be educated on what music is, and not some idiot who's parroting conservative talking points on a subject that you clearly don't know anything about, ala ben shapiro (who effectively holds the same argument you do about rap but doesn't even consider it to fit the "technical definition of music..." whatever the fuck that is)

youtube.com/watch?v=_3utH8Nm_D4

if you have the time, I strongly recommend watching this video. not only does it debunk your boomer idea of what music is, it turns the argument that music needs pitch into a steelman and THEN debunks your boomer idea of what music is.

when you say "not enough" pitch, what do you mean by "not enough?" can you link a piece of music that's on the line of not enough and just enough pitch? would you consider ambient music or drone music to not have enough pitch? what about a drum solo, where there's obviously little to no pitch at all? is that not musical, since it doesn't have enough pitch? even some of the music used in ffr has very little pitch. venetian snares, hello? fuckin atomhead? what do you even mean by pitch? melody? melody can be found in spades in rap, especially in recent years since a lot of modern rappers also sing on their tracks. harmony? harmony can be easily found in the synthesizers or samples used in beats.

and if we're talking about "technical definitions," there are loooooads of styles of music sitting near the thresholds of music that you have to write off. musique concrete? electroacoustic improv? drone? and getting out of the realm of electronic music, how about free jazz? grindcore? all of these push the envelope of what it means to be music way further than your average rapper could ever dream about.

in short, you know very little, if anything, about what makes music music, and are using that to justify writing off one of the most culturally relevant styles of music of the past 40 years.

Re: Rap is technically music

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Originally Posted by SK8R43 (Post 4706443)

Rap is not music, its poetry.
"While in rap “songs” the focus is almost solely on the lyrics, and the instrumental part(usually referred to as “beat”) is of little importance. That's why rap isn't really music. Rap is poetry, often paired with a bit of music in the background. “Rap RARELY has any singing"

you should watch the video I posted too

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you won't get a response from me btw since once I log out of this account I won't be able to ever log back in but if you're going to read all that, watch the video, and still not change your mind then you're a lost cause any way

Re: Rap is technically music

I thought the only real music was Mongolian throat singing.

Re: Rap is technically music

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Originally Posted by Deadlyx39 (Post 4706837)

I thought the only real music was Mongolian throat singing.

yeee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brwdWi-GszE

Re: Rap is technically music

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Originally Posted by Deadlyx39 (Post 4706837)

I thought the only real music was Mongolian throat singing.

in uni I took a computer graphics class and my final project was a music visualizer so I used tibetan throat singing as the sample audio because I was friends with the marker (tfw computer science literally 5 people by 3rd year), and he was into it

Re: Rap is technically music

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Originally Posted by chooby (Post 4706833)

dont worry choobler hes a dumb as am i but still at least im a dumb whos open to new things

Re: Rap is technically music

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Originally Posted by chooby (Post 4706831)

you should watch the video I posted too

I'm sorry choobler i love u sir but I refuse to watch a video that mentions ben shapiro, the idea of someone having to refute his opinion is just too much for me, like it should just be assumed that ben shapiro is a fucking moron, it shouldnt be something that needs arguing to show